So the Sovereignty defending Brexiteers. want to prevent erm, Sovereignty..

Led by donkeys are proving brilliant billboards and advert vans today showing the hypocrisy of the Tory government.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ByDonkeys?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

I really don’t know how anyone can support this.

 

They've been brilliant recently the lads and lasses behind that Twitter page.

Lies, lies and lies.

 

There are Lazy folk and hard working folk everywhere. Nationality has little bearing on it.

 

Other than regurgitated half understood right wing smears stories. Which actual policies put forward by UK Labour would have the same devestafubg impact as Thatcherism.

 

Sorry remainers just got in from work and straight out for a spot of motorcycling. But do carry on with your howling at the moon and attacks on brexit whilst ignoring the uncomfortable truths about your dear leader.

 

Indeed we have (if a little too late) - but we’ll not let facts get in the way of good old racism (even when it’s Latvians being racist about Romanians).

There’s still more we could do; but the simple fact is that ‘benefit tourism’ and ‘health tourism’ are Daily Mail myths just like straight bananas.

 

It takes a special kind of simple. Tories f**k it up.... right winger who doesn’t like immigration and probably many other things nothing to do with him blames Jeremy Corbyn.

You are aware that many leave voters also voted for Jeremy Corbyn. Of course you are.....yes?

 

On yer bike.

 

Just one of the things you got wrong I won’t go into the others , but your research was done using the wrong propaganda channel .
Corbyn didn’t need to invite Adams to Westminster Whatsoever , Adams is or was a member of Parliament he could come and go as he pleases.
Reading some of your replies no one needs to guess where you hit your information from it’s as plain as day even if you choose to deny it .
Corbyn never had been an IRA sympathiser and had always worked to get both sides in agreement .
If any of the allegations were true he’d have been in court long ago the fact these Mickey Mouse media machines keep trumping it up is neither here nor there .

 

That’s down to lovely Nigel and co opting not to vote on issues whilst an MEP.
Lots of things we’ve missed out on with that napsack at the helm.

 

Can I have a go at that one?

I voted leave but if you look at my previous posts, I don’t sit comfortably with many of my fellow leavers who seem quite content in the Rees-Mogg, Farage, Phillips camp. (bloody hell. Had to excuse myself even before I write!).

Three reasons: (i’ll not include the break up of the UK because the argument there gets a bit complex because it’s about taking power/control from Westminster and giving it to the regions.)

1. I’ve been uncomfortable with the EU becoming increasingly neo-liberal in it’s approach to economics. Not only in its protectionist nature which stops developing countries competing with EU on a more equal footing but also it’s treatment of its own members. An example being that even post economic crash, It’s treatment of Greece and the democratically elected Govt of that country was disgraceful.

2. The most significant use of funds in the EU is spent on promoting and defending CAP. In my lifetime, there hasn’t been a policy that has been more destructive to the environment and the fight against climate change. Even this Govt has announced that, post CAP, the UK will pay farmers, not for the continued destruction of the UK’s Environment, but for ‘public goods’. Flood alleviation, improved biodiversity, peatland restoration, air quality, water quality, recreational infrastructure etc.....

3. I think lots of services should be run by the public sector, where that delivers a ‘better’ service and value for money. E.g Railways, energy, water. The EU’s so called pro competition laws make that policy approach unlawful, which is pretty ironic when a Foreign Govt’s can buy into those sectors when they are in private hands!! Madness.

Not out for an unholy row. Just trying to point out we’re not all Tommy Robinson.

 

Thank you for putting forward a very rare and fair response.
Isn’t it much better to be civil and outline your argument rather than what I normally read from others who voted to leave.
In terms of your answers, I’ve always looked upon the EU as needing some kind of repair or reform. But to do that I’ve felt we are better being in it to affect change for the better.
Whilst I admire both of your answers to 2 and 3 I worry that you believe this current government will do anything for the good of the many. There’s nothing I distrust more than the Tories. And 3 especially won’t happen under the far right Tory party post-Brexit.
But this then becomes arguing over party policy I suppose.
Thanks for your civil response.

 

Seconded

 

Odd isn't it. We vote for an MP not a political party, but a political party not a PM. So an MP can change political party and their constituents don't get another vote. A political party can change the Prime Minister and the country doesn't get another vote. The political party in power can change the result of Brexit from everything will be lovely to you're all fc*ked but we're doing it anyway and you still don't get another vote. And they call it democracy.

 

Well we've just stopped for coffee so I thought I'd check in, the insults and the denial reference dear leader weren't unexpected to be honest.
I've just time to answer one question which is why I voted to leave and it's just this -
I wouldn't have a problem with the eu if it remained just a trading block, a common market if you will, but it's morphed into something else, something resembling a nation with its own flag, anthem,constitution,passport and president with european laws trumping our own, We;re not allowed to strike our own trade deals, we defer to the relevant european commissioner, so we have no deal with China for example. The Belgian minister wants to standardise welfare systems, Juncker wants his army, the eu isn't a trading block anymore it's becoming the united states of europe it even has it's own currency. This isn't what we voted to join, it's what it's become.
and where will it end ?
We're the fifth largest economy in the world trapped in a trading organisation that won't allow us to do deals with China, USA et al. Where our laws are trumped by theirs, where our trade unions and MEP's can object all they want but what europe says goes it seems, they decide who can stay in our country who we can and can't deport.
It's not what I want for me, my family or my country so I voted leave and would again.

So remainers, off you go with your accusations of right wing agenda/press.closet tory, I'm off home on mi bike for a shower and bed.
I took the liberty of removing the massive collector box and exhaust forced onto the bike by the eu emissions requirements and replaced them with something which suits me. The country has done the same. Thankfully.

 

The reason why people voted to remain or leave is irrelivant, we were never asked to give reasons on why we voted the way we did.

 

Well, we both voted leave Bud. But we’re a million miles apart on the reasons and I have to say there is very little I recognise or support in the case you put forward.

 

I thought his posts a bit narcissistic tbh.

 

So much of that post is wobbly.
Around here they vote for the party (see: Labour) - not the person. The person is irrelevant.
We don't vote for a party rather than a PM. We don't vote on that at all.
With regard to your other observations about not having a vote (MPs changing allegiance, or party leader etc.) - does this differ in some way to the Brexit vote? Must we respect one and not the other? Which one is more important to uphold?
Many people on here seem to not respect the vote (without judgment on their reasons for this position) but one must decide whether a vote is worth listening to or not.
Finally the political party in power has not said we're all fecked. Nor did they ever say everything will be lovely.

 

you are right marlon , corbyn did not invite gerry adams after the brighton bombings.. he did in fact invite two ira members (linda quigley and gerry maclochlainn) to westminster to discuss prison conditions for ira members,

when corbyn was a backbencher he was without doubt a republican supporter and fully supported a united Ireland and did infact vote against the anglo/irish agreement in the mid 80's, corbyn would do well to remember that northern ireland has a sizeable proportion of residents who do not want a united ireland

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...eremy-corbyn-and-ireland-all-about-the-border

theres loads of stuff around discussing corbyn's ira links and its not all in the right wing media micky mouse machine bud, if it was all ****** why hasnt he had someone in court for slander??