Brexit and the elite..

Interesting there’s been a few of these accounts with a handful of posts strongly criticising remainers on here recently. Nothing to see here.

 

So where have you seen that following brexit, a list of workers rights which will be removed?
Or is that just your opinion of what will happen?

 

It is opinion. May refused to guarantee them when Corbyn spoke to her regarding Labour supporting a revised withdrawal agreement. Nothing is guaranteed under no deal.

 

Under the same respect, nothing is guaranteed under remain or any deal.

I may well be wrong but I can't honestly see that workers rights will be removed post brexit. Plus if it did happen at the end of the day say if the Tories were in power and decided to do as you suggest, then surely another party such as Labour or the Lib Dems would then in their next election manifesto promise to return these rights to workers? At least that way we get the choice in selecting our government.

On the other hand, if our European law makers decide to dilute or remove some workers rights for whatever reason (boosting output etc), not 100% sure but I don't think the UK could fully opt out of implementing it, especially with the move towards more majority voting.

So surely the closer the people creating / changing / removing laws are to the people of the UK, the easier it is to overturn any we don't like. Simply by holding the government to account via our general election ballot box.

Essentially it's my main reason for wanting to leave, allowing less control directly for the people in the country by creating more tiers in our political system.

Perfectly happy for a single market, shared standards, freedom of movement but not any further political nor fiscal union. I understand that as it is, we can opt out of certain things, but these opt outs have been slowly eroded and my opinion is that they will continue to do so if we remain.

 

We'll see. I get your point & that is held by a few pro Brexit posters on here, that I respect the views of. If Boris / Mogg / etc get there way, then all bets are off. They want to buddy up with Trump & USA workers rights are ridiculously bad, especially regarding holidays, working hours & sick pay.

 

Maybe but the opinions/principles are still the same

 

hers arthur scargill's view of corbyn and his u turn on his eu stance

17.01.2019 – Arthur Scargill’s statement on Jeremy Corbyn’s betrayal of Brexit

“Jeremy Corbyn’s statement that any discussions with the government will only take place provided that ‘no deal’ is taken off the table is not only deplorable but an act of betrayal of both socialist principle and a betrayal of the democratic vote of the British people and the 60 per cent of Labour constituencies who voted to leave the European Union including its corrupt Customs Union, it’s rigged Single Market and it’s unacceptable Free Movement of workers and Capital. His appalling abandonment of his previous position would have been condemned by the late Tony Benn; Michael Foot and is condemned by me who for over 40 years regarded him as a comrade and friend. No More.” (Arthur Scargill)

 

for those of you who are interested in the socialist case for brexit here is a quote by Arthur Scargill prior to the referendum

01.04.2016 | Vote "NO" to EU says Scargill ― The Socialist Case for Leaving the European Union
Socialist Labour Party Leader Arthur Scargill, speaking in South Yorkshire, outlined the case from the left for British withdrawal.
"Britain's membership of the EU had virtually destroyed our major industries ― the latest victim being British Steel ― while devastating the NHS, starving education and virtually eliminating council housing. The policy and austerity measures of EU directives have destroyed jobs and communities, spreading hardship and poverty ever wider yet the banks received a multi-billion pound bailout. Britain's loss of sovereignty is such that unless we leave the European Union the crisis, both economic and social, will get worse".
Mr Scargill lambasted the free movement of both labour and capital, which have resulted in the destruction of British Industry, zero-hours contracts, unemployment, homelessness and poverty not seen in Britain since the 1930s. He said: "What is needed is a policy in line with the economic principles that prevailed for a short period after 1945: we need import controls and subsidies to stop imports including goods produced in intolerable conditions by slave and child labour".
He continued: "Immigrants, particularly from former British colonies, and asylumseekers in need of refuge are not the cause of the economic crisis and the massive population increase in Britain. Last year, for example, the number of immigrants and asylum seekers entering Britain was only 250,000 whilst 350,000 British citizens emigrated ― in other words a net outflow of 100,000. However in the same year, the free movement of labour ― a fundamental principle enshrined in Article 45 of the EU Treaty ― resulted in over 550,000 citizens from amongst the 30 countries permitted to do so by the EU entering the UK 'freely'. It is this free movement of labour which has created a crisis both economic and social ― and political.
He slammed the Labour Party leadership, both past and present, for its policy of remaining in the EU and working for "improvements". "The current Labour Party leadership's policy is a betrayal of socialist principle and a betrayal of all those in the Labour and Trades Union Movement who campaigned in 1975 for a 'No' vote. I was centrally involved, along with Tony Benn, in that campaign".
"In the forthcoming referendum, the people of Britain are going to have to decide whether we continue to surrender our sovereignty and become part of a United States of Europe ― or whether we get out of this European Union hell and get back into the world.
I call upon everyone on 23 June to vote 'NO' and restore Britain to the British people."

 

Yes, I'm aware of that & the historic socialist opposition to many things in the EU, going back to pre the 1975 referendum.

The agenda for leaving the EU though, barring a small number of Labour MPs, some on the left & some on the right, like Gisela Stuart (who is now working for the Tories), was driven & funded by by Arron Banks, someone with no interest in working people, but in exploiting the privatisation of our NHS & buddying up to the USA, to lower our food standards, workers rights, etc. I have no interest in what mr Scargill, or any of his allies have to say these days, I'm more interested in the interests of working people. Times have moved on. I've been opposed to many things the EU has done, (like TTIP, which we managed to oppose, because we were part of the EU & had a say in this). I didn't agree with Blair agreeing to free movement to / from the new EU nations, like Romania, Hungary, etc, as well & that has caused many problems. Blair's illegal war has lead to many of the problems we now face with refugees. The Labour Party now, has nothing to do with either the Blair days & has nothing in common with Mr Scargill, Mr Benn Snr, etc. It is a democratic party with more members than all the UK parties put together, many of them young people, who just want a decent future for the country.

 

thats your opinion and you are entitled to it

 

Do you support Johnson & Mogg, etc?

 

And he’s still dead

 

no flees on thee is the?

 

In an ‘ideal world’ the socialist aims of Scargill and Crow would lead us out of the EU and into a Marxist nirvana.

But that has no popular appeal beyond the readership of the socialist worker.

The Brexit we will get will be managed by the most right wing government in living memory. Patel Mogg and Johnson have no interest in or even knowledge of the lives of the working class.

So long as they make a profit gambling on the failure of the country they’re happy.

 

How are his opinions the same then? Unless you know something about dead people that’s passed me by, the fact he’s dead means he no longer holds an opinion.

 

like i said, no flees on thee

 

So you admit that your post was total nonsense then

 

yes, my grammar and interpretation was *****, however i think you did understand what i was getting at

edit, sorry donny,i've only just realised i didnt state the same opinions still being relevant,my fault

 

Sounds pretty much like he’s blaming the EU for our own government policy to me. As many others seem to be also

 

Very eloquent for a dead man