Not getting upset chief, just making the point that almost every prediction Carney has made in the past has been complete ****** whether Brexit, inflation or GDP.
just remember blair promised us a referendum in 1997 after john majors maastricht disaster , then when labour were in power both the tories and the lib dems called for a referendum.. so just because these tw@ts refused us one doesnt mean we shouldnt have had one when we did, so stop blaming and singling out the tories for this sh itfest.. the eu has morphed into what it is now and the first chance the public got they decided they'd had enough
The Tories are to blame for this shitfest !!! Whoever promised whatever whether Blair Or any other labour leader it would not have morphed into this fekin farce it has become . Whatever was voted stay or leave it would have been dealt with . Once securing the vote they did not know what the fek to do it was a sham from beginning to end and to try and blame anyone other than the Tories is a Kop out . The Tories brought this on NOONE ELSE. Because Blair didn’t bring it forward doesn’t mean it would have been this ***** that’s been turned out which has been in the Tory Ranks for years . It was a Tory Govt don’t try to blame anyone else for might have beens !
Of course it’s a Tory shitfest, The referendum was only offered to save political arses, both party and individuals.
i'm not blaming anyone in particular... i'm blaming the lot of them just out of interest what is your opinion of labour not having a referendum after promising one, not once but twice and what do you think of both the tories and lib dems who both called for a referendum during the early 2000's.. all three dont like the result of a referendum they all, at some point , advocated you have no idea what would have happened had blair given us one
Your right I don’t know what would have happened if Blair had given a referendum but I don’t think for one minute it would have been this farce but that’s bye the bye he didn’t and we havnt . This was borne out of the Tory infighting and once the vote was secured there was no plan and no idea what to do , Cameron feked off cos he hadn’t a clue which left a free for all and everyone in limbo and anybody could interpret the referendum to whatever meaning they wanted . The Tory infighting is now worse and parliament has more control than govt . This has been borne with no idea no plan and no clue , no wonder the legitimacy of the vote is being questioned . If it were a buisness everyone of this Govt would have been sacked long ago
Three years into a million pound project with no plan, no progress and no significant results and the entire thing would have been scrapped and people sacked. Yet the "party of business" is allowed to continue unhindered after wasting billions with nothing to show for it.
Not really unhindered they’ve had Parliament take control of at least one decision. These ***** have had a momentous decision in their hands and blown it by being found out that they had no contingency , clue or knowledge of what to do with it . Their lies have unraveled to the extent the vote was a sham , the countries at each other’s throat. Influential MPs laying down with contempt as millions watch on without any regard as to who was watching . They have made us a laughing stock and still people see them s the next govt, you couldn’t write this in a television farce because it would be deemed as too far fetched.
thats summat we'll never know but do you think it would have been plain sailing? because i dont, there must be a reason that all the main parties either called for or promised a referendum when they were in opposition and i think its because they simply did not agree with the direction the government and the eu were going, they certainly wernt calling for one so the likes of me and you could have our say, Cameron eventually gave us one because of the growing threat of UKIP,i hate the tories with a passion but at least they gave us the chance, the labour party simply refused to speak about it once they got into number ten, at least until the next election where the call for a referendum reared up once again, then only to be swept under the carpet same as in the previous term
i dont disagree with one bit of your opinions on the mess thats happened since the vote bud but, please let me know your thoughts on why the labour party refused to honour their pledge of a referendum because of the sh itfest that major created after signing maastricht.
Blair - irrespective of opinions of him as a PM - went from a Europhobe to one of the strongest Europhiles. There is a reason for that beyond just careerism - he is not sticking his nose in for his career, but because he genuinely believes it is in the good of the country. Major and Brown are the same. Individually I can see why people are against the EU, but governments and PMs have to look at the big picture and the general conclusion from those that have held that position is that it is overall a positive for the UK as a country. Europhiles make up a sizeable minority of Labour party members - around 30%, but never enough to win a vote for a motion in conference now. When they were an anti-EEC party in the 1980s, they were a diminished electoral force.
I’m not sure why they didn’t but one things for sure if they had have done it would have been with a clear plan as to how and when we if left they had lost and probably with a clear winning margin set . The Torys rushed the referendum to quieten the dissenters that were dogging every Tory leader with Cameron thinking he would win and had no plan for the eventual outcome then left the country in crap. But it’s no good blaming anyone else or saying this might happen or that should have happened that’s diverting the blame from what is actually happening with these muppets at the helm. They have tried all the tricks in the book by trying to discredit the opposition while they wallow in their own crap.
Because they had a think through the reality of putting that pledge into practice? Do you honestly think an intelligent politician would have started this having any sort of idea where it would lead? Leave or remain; surely there’s no one here who thinks the country is in a better state now having opened the Pandora’s box that was the EU referendum.
you honestly think that a party that promised a referendum then continually ignored the promise would have had a clear plan? i dont bud, their lies were nothing short of disgraceful , especially when used for electioneering, akin to the lies spouted from both sides in the 2016 referendum. Scoff thinks Blair changed his mind for the good of the country, I do not share this view one bit, Blair is a proven liar and only changed his mind once in power, as i've said quite clearly they all say one rthing when in opposition then change their minds once the snout is in the trough. Take Corbyn... there has never been a bigger hater of the eu, but now he's in charge his opinions have changed, Corbyn like blair is untrustworthy (i'll prob still vote labour in a GE but beyond that i have very little support.
