Just for giggles... Where are you at the mo?

Why give someone £1 billion a month to get £744 million back? Why not just keep the £1 billion?

 

Because it gives us frictionless access to one of the biggest trading blocs the world has ever seen. The savings made by British businesses more than makes up for that shortfall.

 

See above.

 

Because we give £1b to get £744m back, but that saves costs through the use of shared services (EMA, EURATOM, etc), and also facilities trade that brings in about £20bn of tax per month.

 

Fair enough. I think you're very wrong on most of those points, especially your stuff about Boris, but I get it.

Edit. Sorry, you quoted someone else's post so they aren't your words about Boris.

 

That's laughable.

 

It's not the fact that someone doesn't share the same opinion. It's when they've basically no idea of what they've voted for and can't tell you why, apart from the fact that they basically don't like dem foreigners.

Search Brexit in Barnsley on YouTube. "I voted out cos there's too many Muslims". Course you did mate, that's sure to get rid of them.

 

FFS.

 

I would love to know if we had voted to remain with the same percentage would all the brexiters still be going on about a second referendum 3 years later or would they have realised that democracy is democracy even though the result didn't go the way they wanted and got on with it.

 

Probably not because it wouldn't have crippled the country.

 

Yes they would still be going on....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681

 

There’s are many people who voted to remain have absolutely no idea what they voted for except they can still get served in pret and be able to go skiing, it’s not a mutual thing.

Some of the language and attitudes from people towards those of a different voting/opinion is pushing the boundaries of acceptable at best.

There’s a number of people on this forum being prime examples.

 

You didn’t ‘explain’ or ‘show’ anything, just stating an opinion then disappearing when other posters have replied with actual facts and statistics that disprove your theories.

 

We're still waiting to hear what EU laws he's against.

Apart from food labels.

 

I'll just add to this. Not only is trade super easy, but the confidence of trade with that block makes a huge difference too.

I'll quote one fellow business owner here. Prior to the referendum, 76% of their products went to EU countries. He was telling me his current turnover includes just 3% of EU based sales. His workforce has been cut by more than half, he thinks he may just break even this current year, meaning less taxes from ers NI, CTax and reduced investment, while next year he is seriously considering just packing up which would mean the end of his business and a dozen more job losses. A small business, but it shows the impact confidence has when you start to challenge markets.

It's not that simple to go, right, theres a risk 27 markets are diminishing. Hmm.... i'll go and try sell my wares in Nigeria, or Peru, or Vanuatu or Cambodia. It takes time to build links and considerable costs too.

Big businesses will be fine, they'll just cut or relocate. Mid sized business will cut and try and ride the downturn. Small businesses just don't have the resources and fallbacks and cant last a prolonged downturn for very long.

 

I might be being stupid because Im not an expert and I'm so glad there are loads of experts on here but what evidence is there that brexit is going to cripple the country yes the pound has fallen but that would be expected with the uncertainty but price of the pound goes up or down when anything out of the ordinary happens and all it seems to me is scare mongering of how we are going to loose all industry how we are going to go back into the dark ages. The UK is one of the biggest consumers in the world do you really think we aren't going to get good trade deals. All we are getting is certain companies are going to pull out of the UK nothing gets said about companies pulling out of the UK because of EU deals with japan to allow them to build cars for Europe in Japan instead Europe loosing massive car plants in UK causing thousands of job losses but that doesn't get mentioned

 

He’s against free movement for workers.

 

We can't get good trade deals though; most blocs have clauses written in that state if a trading partner country agrees a better deal with another country, the bloc automatically gets the same deal. So the best we can expect is the same deal as another country or bloc, so we may as well just stick with the EU and benefit from the trading power it allows.

We're literally pissing away any sway we have in the global market. Just because...

 

I very much doubt there's anyone who voted Remain for those reasons so it would seem you're committing the same broad brush generalisation that you object to in others. I guess you're using it as an example.
There are few, if any, knee jerk reasons to vote Remain. The EU doesn't appeal to some deep rooted, warmly glowing memory of nationhood and greatness. It seems pretty bland and boring as an entity so I reckon those who did vote to remain had to evaluate exactly why they would want to.
I don't like certain aspects of it but, on balance, I think we're far better off in than out.
If anyone has a reasoned argument for the opposite view fair enough. There are far, far too many, however, who voted on tabloid soundbites and an unpleasant distaste for foreigners. You can put any spin you like on it but that's a fact.

 

Like any normal debate there tends to be pros and cons for both sides and I tend to be able to see those i.e. death penalty- may reduce prison population slightly but does not appear to act as a deterrent in other countries.

Brexit, however.... I have yet to see a single concrete reason to leave the EU. The only one that springs to mind is tightening immigration. A points-based system like Australia may be useful, however I am not convinced. The truth is many people in this country see serving people coffees in Costa, healthcare assistants or cleaning jobs as being below them. We limit immigration and end up with shortfall in lesser skilled jobs that require little or no experience- how do we cover those? So I am not sold on that benefit either.

If someone could provide me with some genuine pros to leaving I will give them a good read and will try my very best to see it from your side.