No Deal Brexit

That’s exactly right !
Anyone in Barnsley, Doncaster , Rotherham etc etc that’s complaining money is going to the EU and then some of that money is diverted to theses towns should think again .
If this money did not go to the EU and come to our towns via this route it would stay in the treasury .
Johnson and co would use it for tax cuts for the rich just as they did with with the Benefits money they stole or investment money that was destined for our region .
They have form they have stated they will cut taxes for the richest and that’s what this money will be used for .
And an added bonus no one will be able to police the tax havens they’ve set up offshore once out of the EU.

 

Some people could do with reading this.

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/new...-what-the-eu-has-done-for-yorkshire-1-7972455

 

Most debates on the subject of Brexit are characterised by name calling and the exchange of extreme views. That is no way to reach the right decision for the future of the country and the well-being of its citizens. That is why I wanted to state both my view and my reasons for holding that view. It is clear from your replies that you know a lot more about the subject than I do, and I have learned from reading those replies. You are someone who I have a lot of respect for.

Evidence and reasoning have been absent from most debates, not just on the BBS, but also nationally. The day after the result of the vote was announced, I stated that there should be a second vote to confirm the first, once the terms of our departure were know and once there had been a proper analysis of what those terms meant for everyone in the UK. At that time, I was certain that some forms of Brexit would be totally unacceptable to the majority of the British public. But we have had no openness and no independent analysis of the effect on the country as a whole or the regions nor any demographic analysis. As a result, positions have hardened and almost no-one has rethought their original vote, and that includes myself. I am no economist, and it would be nice if I was certain that my position on Brexit was the right one, not only for me, but for the country as a whole. Instead, we are stuck with hearsay, rumour and half truths. If I am confused, there is little wonder that others are too. Elsewhere in this thread, No Deal supporters were described as idiots, but they have not had the issues properly explained. They will still be under the impression that things are exactly as they thought they were 3 years ago. Is there any wonder that positions have become entrenched.

Frankly, all the political parties are as bad as one another on this because none of them have attempted to explain the issues properly and in an unbiased way. If you voted Leave, everything since then has been Project Fear. If you voted Remain, Project Fear has been the perceived reality, and there is no position in between. The right decision is so important to the future prosperity of our country, and yet it has become just another party political issue. The truth must be out there, but the only way that we will be able to get to that truth seems to be to get rid of the politicians. I am totally depressed by it.

All that has simply led me back to your text. In my opinion, your conclusion is the correct one. "No Deal will probably lead to civil disorder and rioting". Those who voted to leave are not going to be happy with anything less. What is the way out? I really do not have a clue, but no politician, whatever colour rosette they sport, can be happy with the possible outcomes.

 

Barnsley
Leave 68.3%
83,958 VOTES
Remain 31.7%
38,951 VOTES

Surprising result then.

Any MP not representing their constituency is not doing their job and should be deselected...

Alot been said about leave voters not knowing what they were voting for, which frankly I feel is utter rubbish.

If this fantastic EU is worth our money and the surrendering of our sovereignty to the superstate we fought so hard to resist, then why is the German economy struggling. They have the benefit of the current trade deal and rely heavily on car exports to the UK. It hasn't protected them. As I have said previously the biggest threat to our economy, jobs and living standards is not Brexit.

 

Why?
There job isn’t to parrot the views of their constituents it’s to do what they believe is the right thing for the country.

If you don’t like what your MP does, you have a democratic right to vote for someone else next time.

 

Their job is to represent their constituents and in fact that is what they claim to be doing now... Wrongly

 

I prefer the red ones tbh.

 

They aren’t ‘representing their constituents’ if all they do is parrot something that the evidence suggests is wrong.

I’m afraid this is one of those occasions where ignorance repeated doesn’t make it true.

And shouting it loudly doesn’t make it true either.

Your MP has many thousands of constituents and they hold many views, they can’t possibly do what everyone wants, they have to do what they believe is right. If you don’t like it, you get the chance to vote for someone else quite soon.

 

Sorry but noone is saying that but they have to accept the democratic vote of the majority otherwise what is the point.. .. That's the problem we will face if Brexit is not delivered.... There will be serious ramifications. The result should be accepted and use the democratic process in the future to rejoin if that is the majority will.

 

If we leave with no deal, a large number of businesses trade with EU countries will decline. Some may go altogether. Some may go ahead but be less profitable and the business itself may decide its not fruitful enough.

Lets say you're a business owner who trades with the EU. You sell things to EU countries.

Do you think it is easy to replace sales?
Do you think having tariffs added will make that business more competitive?
Do you think it is easy to open supply channels into countries where you have no experience or connections and many of the government agencies have been reduced since the 2008 global recession?
Do you think after we've threatened to not pay the balance of owed monies, that the EU will be willing to agree a trade deal with us?
How long do you think it will take for the deals we have with 3rd party countries as a result of the EU, to be renegotiated by the UK?
And once ripples start to run through our economy with more businesses relocating, job losses, higher inflation and very high levels of Treasury and household indebtedness, do you think companies, our government and we, its people, are in a good shape to ride the storm that's coming?

What is affecting us, is affecting the Eurozone too, because why wouldn't it? We also have the issues of Russia, and the China trump trade war which isn't helping anyone either.

I despair when I see the regurgitation of the german car soundbite, I really do. Many of the german brands are marquee brands with marquee prices. Say prices go up 10%, though struggling people will shift to cheaper versions or just retain their existing car for longer (not good news for car dealers, but maybe some boost for mechanics and component manufacturers), do you think Tarquin of SW1 will worry about forking out another £8k on a Cayenne?

Germany isn't propped up by Britain. It seems odd that its project fear that there may be delays in supply chain, food and medicine... yet "Germany" fearing never selling a car to us ever again is a perfectly sensible standpoint to take.

 

and pounds shillings and old pence. That will sort some of these youngsters out.

 

Around 40-50% (depending on brand) of worldwide German car sales are in China. They sell more in China than in the EU combined. These sales are hit by Trumps trade war as people there start to feel the pinch. Another 10-15% are in America, where sales are hit as people start to feel the pinch.

Wath, as one of the poorest areas of the UK, received a considerable amount of EU investment (IIRC ~£50million over recent years and £1.6bn in South Yorks since 2000). Most of the regeneration of Manvers, Old Moor, Cortonwood and other investments were with EU money. Is Wath better now since that investment or as it was with the disused railyards down Manvers? The Dearne Valley was an industrial wastelands in the late 90s.

Wath voting to leave the EU was quite unappreciative really. Biting the helping hand.

The people of Wath voted for John Heeley in 2017, after the referendum. He is enacting Labour party policy to vote against No Deal, which would be ruinous for Wath. Is he looking after the interests of his constituents, or should he vote with their wishes which would be bad for them?

 

Hopefully we can get a deal but if we can't we still have to leave. There are impacts to any divorce but there are also opportunities. Taking no deal off the table has simply meant we are unlikely to get the deal we wanted. Every delay is costing the tax payer £1.2bn per month. Money that could be used to reduce the impact.. . Not acceptable imo.

 

All I will say to that is people in Wath voted to. Leave and that should be his primary focus.

 

See that's ridiculous, you are not going to get anyone changing their mind if you dismiss facts about your area like that without any reasonable argument.

All I think from your reply is that you must not have a leg to stand on when some facts like that are pointed out to you. It's pathetic.

 

"The first duty of a member of Parliament is to do what he thinks in his faithful and disinterested judgement is right and necessary for the honour and safety of Great Britain. His second duty is to his constituents, of whom he is the representative but not the delegate. Burke's famous declaration on this subject is well known. It is only in the third place that his duty to party organization or programme takes rank. All these three loyalties should be observed, but there in no doubt of the order in which they stand under any healthy manifestation of democracy"

 

Again......the percentage of the population of eligible voting age who voted Leave was slightly over 25%.
25%
25%

How is that the "will of the people"?

 

I am just trying to avoid further pointless argument as it is academic...we voted to leave the EU. Parliament triggered article 50 to leave with or without a withdrawal agreement and now they are reneging for ulterior motives.

 

But it isn’t their first priority. Read the details. First duty is to look after the best interests of the United Kingdom. Keep up.

 

The net annual cost after rebates is approx. £9bn a year. And that generates us trade, free movement, and numerous benefits when we're in fellow member states as individuals. I don't recall seeing cost benefit analysis of what that £9bn gets us, but I would suspect its 3-6 times more than what it costs, if not more.

We will get a deal if we have a proper negotiation and stop fear mongering our citizens. That means actually negotiating with the EU rather than pretending to for our media and to try and sway the leave public to suggest the Eu is being unreasonable. But leaving at any cost is absolute suicide. It makes no sense. Its like treating a migraine with an axe. It's just beyond crazy and being stoked by people who have nothing to lose and everything to gain, but who make up a handful of our residents, and some aren't even domicile here.

Our current estimated GDP is around $2.6trillion. Now imagine that GDP dipping by whats expected to be around 5%, maybe more. £9bn a year seems very small change in comparison doesn't it?