A Message for Labour Brexiteers

What do you do when the boiler breaks, or you need a new roof, or you decide to have kids? And paying in to your pension? Or if you live somewhere like York where my first 2 up 2 down cost £135k in 2006?

It's generally accepted that housing costs should be about 25% of your income to have a good quality of life.

 

Where's the £10k deposit coming from for someone on minimum wage at 20 years old??

£16,009.50 annual salary of someone aged 25 and over on minimum wage of £8.21 an hour, taking home £14,422.30 a year, or £1,201.86 a month.

An average rent in Barnsley is £433 pcm, leaving £768.86 a month.

Even if you managed to save £400 a month of that remaining £768.86 it would take 25 years to save up the deposit. At which point, the house price would have probably gone up so much you'd need £20k deposit.

And that's assuming a full 37.5 hours a week of work. If you're on a zero hours contract at that rate you're stuffed.

 

Pssssst... Supertykes just described to you their life/financial situation.

 

The proportions might change, but ever thought about the impact certain policies have on total amount available to redistribute? It appears not.

 

Well the current policy of giving more to the rich isn’t having a positive effect on the lives of the poor, despite 40 years of promises that trickle down would work.
So I’ll take your ‘theoretical’ suggestion that more socially responsible policies maybe won’t work and answer that the current policies aren’t working either and the evidence to support that is all around you.

 

Dont worry, dear leader will cap directors salaries and force them to make workers directors, he also wants to give tenants the right to buy their landlords properties, so once the large earners ate earning less and therefore paying less tax maybe his chancellor ( currently on just under 90k a year) would be willing to sell one of his houses. Fq me Orwell was right when he wrote Animal Farm. Altogether Donny - four legs good, two legs bad. Ffs

 

So the druggies and and other associated parasites spoiling the town centre for decent folk and their families are druggies because of the tories. ??!! Fook me nowt to do with their own decision to pump ***** into their blood instead of getting off their arses ?? I’ve got athlete's foot, must be thatchers fault.

 

You haven’t yet told me your plan.
If you’re allowing directors to take the lions share out in profits, pay their workers a pittance so that you and I have to top up their income via tax credits / UC. What’s your solution other than to just keep blaming immigrants.

It’s obvious where the money has gone, who decided that it was fair to do that, so why is it ok for your taxes to be spent supporting very rich peoples lifestyles by topping up their workers income?
And as you’ve already accepted it’s unfair that those workers are paid so poorly, are you prepared to accept something needs doing about it?

 

Does anyone else see the irony in those that promote the politics of ‘aspiration’ and ‘opportunity’ relying on ‘the working poor should just tighten their belts and get on with it’ when the chips are down?

not very ‘aspirational’ is it? An admission that what we really want is the ‘chance’ to be rich whilst we subsist in poverty.

there’s no wonder the National Lottery makes so much money.

 

You’re assuming that those with the big cars at Oakwell have big cars by paying their workers a pittance. My directors at work are cleverer than me, more capable of making decisions which make the company successful. Why shouldn't they be better rewarded than I ? You seem to think that anyone who has done well has got there on the backs of others, why is that Donny ?

 

Having worked with many directors over the years, there is nothing special about them in terms of intelligence. They *might* have more luck, drive, ambition or experience, but they can and do make very obvious, stupid mistakes on a regular basis.

 

and you seem to think anyone who hasn't done well is a leach and drain on your own money. especially those who weren't, by total luck of genetics born in the same country as you. why is that?

 

We

all make mistakes at work

 

No I’m not, that’s just you dodging the question.

There clearly are millions of people earning a pittance, you’ve accepted that’s wrong.

whats your solution?

or are you going to just defend those company owners and keep grumbling about supporting their employees out of your taxes and blaming the immigrants and junkies?

 

I’ll answer you and Pompey with this. I dont believe all immigration is bad, Just uncontrolled immigration, one of the reasons I believe working people voted Brexit is because they can see the fact that uncontrolled immigration From the EU has affected them the most in that they have to wait longer for a doctor‘s appointment they can’t get the kids into the school at the end of the street because there are fewer places they are paid A low hourly rate because there are plenty of people available at that low rate. Simple maths control immigration fewer people here improved availability to the welfare state And public services.

 

...and firms would have to pay a better hourly rate to get the workers. Win win for the working man.

 

Why do you assume to know why 'working people' voted the way they did.

I'm one of those 'working people' who vote to leave - my decision had nothing at all to do with migration - I voted to leave because I supported Jeremy Corbyn's policy!!

 

Austerity caused council funding to be cut, thus essential services were stripped back, for things like drug rehab etc. It effected millions of people in a myriad of ways.

What part of this don't you get you ignorant halfwit?

It wasn't the EU that caused this, it was the Tory government!

 

That was your opening statement, it doesn’t answer my question or even get close.

if a company has 2 directors earning £100k a year and paying their 5 employees £17k a year, me and you are subsidising that business in the form of tax credits for those employees.
Why are you happy to subsidise the lifestyles of those directors and blame immigrants for the low wages. Immigrants aren’t forcing those employers to make those decisions, they’re being made in a clear conscience by people richer than you, effectively taking your money.
Why are you ok with that? Why is it so easy for you to blame the immigrants when it’s patently not their fault?
Why can’t you see how barmy this looks to ‘ordinary’ ‘right thinking’ folk?

 

In 2014, 4% of the population of Barnsley was born outside the UK. That is significantly below the national average of 13%.

Barnsley, Bassetlaw, and many other areas that voted for Brexit because of immigration aren't actually that affected by immigration. There aren't vast numbers of immigrants taking jobs, doctors appointments and school places in Barnsley. Most EU immigrants (and there has always been more immigration from outside the EU) are young, fit and healthy. They are less likely to visit the doctor than the increasing number of pensioners (20% of the UK population and rising to 25% within a decade), who are increasing the pension bill and healthcare requirements and increasing needing more tax to pay for them. Perhaps increasing the numbers of healthcare professionals would have helped in this *entirely foreseeable* issue.