I dont understand the British Voters

He has done pretty much everything he could to get it through.... What the voters see is him doing all he can to get their wishes through, whilst the other parties play party politics to cause issues, ignore voters, and generally act like squabbling children to get their own way. Or they see the other parties keeping out of the issues and having even less of a way forward... in my opinion, that’s why Corbyn needs to step down and get a credible opposition to him.

 

strange that as i couldn't see one instance of anyone calling anyone else racist.

 

1 Brexit forty years of lies from the right wing press blaming all our problems on the EU
2 However hard we try to ignore it the fact is people either don't like or are afraid of immigrants and immigration. They can pretend otherwise as much as they want most round here voted for Brexit because of the perceived belief we as a country are being overrun again 40 years of blaming the EU as worked even though most people round here are more bothered about immigration from the Indian sub continent than a few Polish builders and immigration from the sub continent won't be affected by us leaving the EU
3 Jeremy OAP trot Corbyn and his buddies John McDonnell and Diane Abbot who without doubt are the most unpopular and incompetent people to head the labour party in decades. Corbyn and McDonnell come with too much baggage they are an open goal for any right wing journo with the spare time to go looking for ammo on them and Diane Abbott is the gift who just keeps giving for the Tories every time she does an interview she messes up.
4 Johnson just says what he believes people want to hear and obviously if the polls are correct he's more often right than wrong.
5 The English population is obviously made up of a large percentage of racist gullible idiots and we appear to have more than our fair share round here.
The fact that ex mining families would even consider voting for that blonde tory gimp who while they were fighting for their livelihoods was probably at Eton knocking one out over a picture of Maggie the bitch Thatcher because of what she was doing to them astounds and disappoints me in equal measure.

 

we had one in Ed Milliband, but he ate a bacon sandwich in a funny way and no one voted for him. strange times.

i dont actually disagree with you about JC resigning however. all those people who use the line" well id vote labour but im not voting for JC"..... well they'd all have to pretend they didnt like someone else and think of a new excuse pretty quickly!

 

wow. genuine question, do you honestly believe opening statement?

 

No doubt, the likability factor works both ways. Corbyns daily grumbles as the press follow him from his home don't help persuade anyone he's likeable that currently sees a cantankerous old man. But for me its more policy and the constant ambiguity of policy. Labour are in a real mess. Yes, influenced by media, but it doesn't take much does it.

When you've people like Ashworth, Long-Bailey and Burgon as your front line media call... you've got epic problems.

Frankly, I'm in a position where I don't trust Labour and I clearly don't trust the Tories.... so my choices are extremely limited from the get go.

 

they've got 1 ambiguous policy where everyone must decide in or out it seems, no room for the middle ground. i can see where labour are trying to be everything to all and ending up being nothing to all. polarisation on this one issue is clouding everyone's judgement and view, i obviously wish it would all go away and we could then get back to arguing about the actual real things that affect our day to day life, the EU never did affect anyone enough for this to matter, it seems it has become some sort of phoney war.... governments of course love war as it diverts attention away from in house matters.

 

Tbh I think it’s purely down to JC and his shambles of a Labour party.
I was listening to a group of people the other day and the general consensus was that there was nobody worth voting for.
It would appear BJ is the least worst candidate at the moment.
I know it won’t be a popular opinion on here and I’m not trying to be controversial but the majority of people out of Labours heartland just can’t stand or don’t trust Corbyn.

 

The only sensible way to sort this out is to dissolve all current parties and as such, rid the country of any “they did, he did, she did” ***** that we all find so tedious.
A single party should be created with every position being decided upon by a panel of 349 randomly picked people in work or pensioners that are given 24 hours notice so as to alleviate bribery. If one of the newly elected politicians leaves or gets the sack after a poor quarterly review they get only the pension accrued up to that point. It has to be their only job and any wrong doing is punishable by 5 years full time community service, a punishment also meted out to any one of the selectors guilty of bias.
Any mention of previous parties that have systematically murdered our country between them get punished by 1 year community service after an initial warning.
As part of the interview process it should be taken into account that people take a politics degree due to it being a gimme and an emphasis being put on real qualifications, experience and actual ability.
Reform of the House of Lords should then be undertaken with particular focus on being actually qualified.

 

In answer to the OP question for me it comes down to Labour being unelectable for two main reasons.
1) The British public in general for many years now have not favoured ‘far left’ politics in the majority. You can see this in results over the years going back decades.
2) Corbyn rightly or wrongly is painted as a far left extremist and does nothing to counter this. I give him credit as a man who sticks to his morals first and puts results second but he really needs to look at this if he wants to have a chance.
Perhaps a better Media/PR advisor?

In short Labour need to decide if they want to be as they always have been traditionally or be electable to the modern voters.

 

Thing is, its not going away. And any form of exit will create damage. Some forms worse than others. And agreeing deals is going to take 5-10 years. There will be things that don't cause damage that was expected, and there will be things that do cause damage that wasn't expected. But it will all take time and nothing will be "done" for a very long time. Why people aren't pulling holes in the "done" is beyond me.

I know labours policy has been to be an ostrich and rule from the ashes once the fallout occurred. But that ignores their responsibility of having a view and having a solid policy rather than being dragged back and forth without ever sounding like they are being truthful or know what they are doing.

Brexit is the most crucial self made issue of this generation. To wish it away only makes what may happen all the worse. If it takes 10 years to do it right it takes 10 years. Sadly many of the public have the attention span of a goldfish and are bored with the thing they created.

 

by wishing it all away we should cancel the whole charade, for that has whats its become.

i agree in the fact that "get brexit done" is the biggest pile of proverbial ive heard since the 350million bus lie. nothing is done everything is just beginning. this will take 20 to 30 years at least, those who stand to lose the most are its most vocal supporters. in a way its also similar to the whole ridiculous no deal situation, there is no such thing.

 

Its a complete mess and has been from day one.

I genuinely never thought we'd see an unelected dictatorship gain populism from lies and fraud. That it is being "successful" is as much a stain on those who should be able to counter it, as much as those who stir the melting pot.

 

Because their fathers voted for the Tories. And their fathers. And all their fathers. And their nannies

 

Take your pick

49.9999% of any population are below average intelligence.

Lies. Lies from the politicians, lies from the newspapers, lies on social media. Lies that a significant proportion of the population take on face value and don't question critically. This seems more prevalent among the older population, but not exclusively.

"Balance" from leading broadcasters that have an expert and a raving lunatic, and give them equal air time (think climate change, anti-vaxxers, Brexit, etc, etc).

Years of giving politicians from a minor party publicity on leading political shows. Nigel Farage should have only had a fraction of the airtime on Question Time as he has done - leader of a minor party, with a maximum of 1 MP (and how is he allowed to have a radio show?). Where was the equal airtime for pro-EU MEPs?

 

So what was ED Milliband ? A raging Commie ? History doesn’t bear you out with that analysis , Blair got in on left Conservative values so the media sided with him as he didn’t threaten their lavish lifestyles and tight grip on Tory working practices .

 

Coming from Barnsley you do realise the irony in that ? ( not the nannies obviously)

 

They will blame the immigrants whilst kicking fek out of them and get away with it.

 

I think we vote anything but Tories in Barnsley not because our forebears did but because of what the Tories have always done to towns like .
Although the media have gone into overtime to try and get Boris the liar in .

 

Fair enough, just pointing out that unfortunately for a lot of voters (from both main parties) its an area/ parental thing, some folk don't seem capable of formulating an opinion of their own