I dont understand the British Voters

Theres been a big shift locally to the LibDems from Labour and a noticeable number of EU flags flying from windows, so I cant speak for the rest of the country, but SE London areas are certainly looking at a pro EU aspect. Labour will win the seat though as it has the 5th strongest majority in the country (though Harriet Harman is looking to be speaker) so it doesn't matter. But i'll do my bit to at least try and reduce that Labour majority if given the chance to vote for it.

I think the difference I consider in governments is if the choice was made with intent and choice. If you consider Brown, he did what he thought was right and the market proved him wrong. he did sell at market value at the time. If you look at selling Royal Mail and a personal friend of the Chancellor benefitting to the tune of £35-50m... they didn't sell at market value and someone benefitted from that, so, well they seem very different to me. Everyone makes mistakes. But there are mistakes, and then there are wilful choices that have the whiff of cronyism and collusion to them.

 

im interested in your defence of previous labour yet a flat refusal to vote for this one. brexit wont be here forever.... although it certainly seems like it will ( and yes this is only the start etc etc)

voting for the lib dems who have proven themselves as sell outs for power seems strange, although i get many might hold there nose and go for it.

 

The effect of Brexit will likely be felt for the rest of many of our life times. All other policy is framed by if and how we leave the EU.

So seeing the Conservatives and Labour are pro leave parties, I cannot possibly consider voting for them.

 

im not disagreeing about the first part and we've agreed many times that brexit will be bad for the country. i just cant see how we can vote with that one issue hanging over everything. ive just said on another thread it will be interesting if the brexit party PLC get a few seats. Boris' deal wont be brexit enough for them and will vote against it, as will everyone else... this will run and run

 

I think that was my point mate..

 

When you quote Barnsley ensure you differentiate between the town and the borough...
Otherwise its easy to cook figures to suit.

 

The GE motion is going to be amendable, so there may be some suggestion the govt will pull it depending on the amendments selected and there success....

But aside from that, if we are in the position of a 3rd GE in 4 years, we have to vote however we see fit for whatever ambitions we hold. A ratifying referendum should absolutely be the way forward though as it becomes a single issue vote. I fully understand the far right have muddied it to be called a second referendum, and not the ratifying one that the likes of Rees Mogg and Farage once called it. But in any other case, in business, or any split decision, a confirmatory ratifying vote would surely be tagged.

If you took Brexit away, and you look at rambling labour manifesto of 2017.... I still wouldn't vote for Corbyn and his frighteningly inept shadow cabinet to be in charge.

 

They are not ‘British voters’ they are English ones.

If you voted Leave you must be pretty dumb if you didn’t know you were leaving the EU AND the UK.

 

Hello lefties - We are leaving the EU.

 

Do you think we actually will?

 

It’s like the story of Chicken Licken on here from the remainer Corbynites, this will happen, that will happen, we’re right and your’e wrong. I promise you that when Corbyn loses and Brexit happens the sky won’t fall in. Honest.

 

Can you explain how a centrist Labour leader wins seats back from the SNP and retain Labour heartlands that voted for Brexit? There's so many people who just seem to ignore the complexities and realities of Brexit for Labour.

They're also usually people who won't vote for Labour whatever they do.

 

we aren’t. Especially and bizarrely if the brexit party get a few seats.
As an aside how is your life going to be improved by leaving the EU?

 

The asda issue is **** all to do with leaving the EU.

 

Thats a tightly clutched straw.

The same practice walmart are doing isnt a new thing.

Its happened at companies and public sector bodies for years.

 

Funny someone with a Greek name being so happy about this?

 

The point is... the message isn't clear, because politics isn't simple.

Lies are simple, and you're apparently applauding a politician saying 'lets get brexit done' when you know it's not that simple - in fact it's a lie, the simplest of brexits will cause years or decades of chaos - that's not 'getting it done' at all.

The truth is complex. Let's work out what the right brexit for the country is, lets make sure we can survive it or maybe even take the opportunity to change our mind.

The reason we're in this mess is that the Leave campaign had a simple message and kept repeating it. It was far from the whole truth, or even true at all; but that doesn't matter if all we're concerned about is 'simple messages' and 'winning'.