We can't vote for Jeremy Corbyn

But you’re on a slippery slope there RH, do we tell that to the mams and dads of the kids blown up by the ira in Warrington, Birmingham, Enniskillen ?

 

But it were the left of the party who’s supposed policies you totally against that voted against the war along with a very large part of the trade and labour movement including unions and Jeremy Corbyn.
A policy that was destined to fail untill backed by every man jack of the Tory Party.

 

We’ll never know, but my point was that its ok not to vote labour if you dont like the cut if their jib. See what I did there ?

 

Which would still be happening if it weren’t for the people bringing both party’s to talks including Jeremy Corbyn .
Do we get stuck in the past and rake all this back up or do we move on into the peace it had brought .

 

That wasnt my point Marlon

 

Yes we do know though they backed the war ever man jack.

 

As I’ve posted before Marlon there’s a huge difference between dialogue with and support of.

 

Slightly different situation as there were means of affecting change through a ballot
(although I understand the IRA viewpoint that they wouldn't recognise Westminster).

Unfortunately in war there are casualties but I would think if I was denied a voice, education, money, healthcare etc and my family was killed trying to affect change at some point I would probably condone violence.

 

Yes there is and your accusations have crossed it .
He has never supported the IRA

 

You accused a labour govt of going to war .
So if this labour govt are the same as your implying then these Tories are the same that employed police tactics that beat us up on picket lines by the same token .

 

Of course it's alright for anyone to not vote Labour

 

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I hate war, but terrorism isnt war is it. Its just murder.

 

ONE leader of the 27 EU countries has blocked North Macedonia's application to join the EU. (President Junker calls this decision a historic mistake!)
Putin invites N. Macedonia (along with Albania) to be part of the Eurasian Economic Union - dominated by Russia who also have a massive influence in Hungary. Putin eyeing the other Balkan countries in the EU.

What is the relevance of this - it suggests the EU may not be the stable UK friendly organisation it is thought to be. It will change over the years - the changes may be beneficial to the UK - they may not.
I think the UK will be better placed out of the EU -
Remainers who disagree - I respect your views.

 

Top man and fair play. I enjoy reading your stuff, I wouldn't ever hold a grudge especially over something as daft as politics.

 

I hated the tories back then Marlon, we were punished for bringing down the Heath government, a second harrying of the north. Nothing can justify the decimation of our industries when USA, China and Russia are burning coal like no tomorrow and we’re forced to import whats under our feet.

 

Marlon, he has attended their funerals and protested against the length of their sentences. If that isnt showing support I’m not sure what is .

 

And what I’ve consistently posted in here is that I won’t vote labour under Corbyn. It doesnt mske me the daily mail reading tory supporter some have me down as.

 

Exactly that trickster and something we agree on .
But a vote for the Brexit Party is a vote for everything Barnsley has suffered ,
Every time s Tory govt gets into Power it punishes Places like Barnsley , Sheffield Liverpool etc .
Places where heavy industry had taken its toll on the health of its residents and had to compete on the same budgets as leafy places in Surrey .
I get that people are fed up of politics and that usually means the current MPs in place bey it labour or Tory ,
I personally as you know am a remainer but I could never vote on one policy . If Labour were to become a Brexiteers party tomorrow I would still back it .
Not because of blind loyalties or because my peers did but because of the injustices caused by the alternatives.
Even the Lib Dem’s turned on us .
The Brexit party are the same people that allowed the police to kick and punch them arrest myself and my family for trying to protect our jobs

 

Again I will step in here to clarify the position of Corbyn regarding this tired IRA supporting jibe, he sympathised with the republican cause of a united Ireland, how many on here really care about the 6 counties being part of the U.K. really? It's a different story in Northern Ireland, the Troubles documentary is essential viewing for a deeper insight to what it was all about. There was no other way for peace there than dialogue, he was approached by Adams to broker some kind of dialogue between the warring factions there, the loyalist were every bit as bad as the republicans, just the IRA did the big bombings whereas the RUC colluded with loyalist groups, little known or spoken about fact. The USA also has to take some responsibility to the amounts of money Noraid raised to the cause. That should have been stopped. Mr Trump was a regular face among their fundraisers but 30+ years ago we are all different with our views, education etc, not realising how history will judge you. Corbyn was the first person Mo Mowlam called upon to resolve the ceasefire leading to the good Friday agreement. That is how Corbyn should be judged.

 

War IS murder thousands/ hundreds of thousands of deaths

I think if you lived the life of a black SA at the time you might see it differently.