Daniel's side of the story

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  1. Dub-Tyke

    Dub-Tyke Well-Known Member

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    Try having that conversation with your boss after being found out you were talking to a local competitor and moving to them whilst taking some other high level folk with you.

    You’d be gone. Full stop. And rightly so. Businesses want committed and honest folk, not snakes.

    Just because he didn’t go, he still went along with it and liked the idea...... If you found out that Woodrow did the same, and tried to entice other players with him, the fans would be kicking off big time.
     
  2. Ged

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    The radio sheffield interview was a very good one and i would like to say i thought the interviewer asked the right questions, in the right manner. I respect Paul Conway for going on the programme and commiting to the questions.
    However i still have very serious question marks over the board of our club. In the first instance he complained that this team was 2 years in the making and stendel had undermined that by trying to take himself and others to another club (or going into talks)...yet our board (it could be argued) have ripped teams apart in their pursuit of profit....nothing to do with the playing staff, so how are they trying to "build a team" we all know players will be sold as soon as they a "saleable asset" ie profit making. How is that building a team.
    He was also very coy around the contractual issues of his x coach.
    However we do know they are here for the long term...just like at Nice!!
     
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    Hykehamtyke Well-Known Member

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    Thisyou’re bang on here, absolute hypocrisy by Conway and the rest of the board with that soundbyte in particular. Having listened to all that interview I truly cannot believe a word that PC says anymore given his and others actions(flogging our defence in the summer) and inactions ( making an international branding of the club to which nothing has happened) since taking over the club.
     
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    Redhelen Well-Known Member

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    For me it would depend on how much service the employee had given me and whether I as an employer had backed him and his colleagues to do the job I paid them to do.
     
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    When people are mentioning selling all our players in the summer then surely they just mean pinnock, a player who apparently turned down the club captaincy and the best wage package in the history of the club. As Halme is equally as good as Lindsey, Chaplin will contribute more than Moore would have done, hedges(10 mind a game) and Davies we’re out of contract then people can’t seriously be on about those 4.
    I hated seeing pinnock leave and I don’t think we got anywhere near market value and here the board made a mistake by not playing hardball. The rest? Meh
    I will concede that we added too many unknowns but I asked on this board for suggestions as to who we could sign with experience within our financial parameters and got nothing
     
  6. Dub-Tyke

    Dub-Tyke Well-Known Member

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    Nah. There’s a ‘trust thing’ when you’re a manager. You need to know when the going gets tough, you can rely on your top folk to be counted on, and not walk off taking others with them. DS knows how we operate and the board have been clear from day one.

    Like it or not, once that trust is broken, it’s difficult to recover. He was naive and daft, if nothing more......
     
  7. Ged

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    I have had that conversation!
    My bosses, were also trying to get rid of me but i had loads of respect from everyone else in the company, so i was talking to other companies. They didnt like it one bit but i had far more on them than they had on me and backed down. They were the "snakes" not me and eventually i moved...so all parties were better off (Sounds familiar!).
    Also the Woodrow/ player thing, his agent will already be talking to parties now, happens all the time. You only have to look at moore with 2 and a bit years left on his contract, to realise that he was either tapped up or our board wanted shut for a profit.
     
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    Dub-Tyke Well-Known Member

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    Spot on.

    Don’t let the truth get in the way though!
     
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    Dub-Tyke Well-Known Member

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    Difference here, is that the role of Coach was created at BFC to ensure that regardless who got the job, the style, approach and recruitment stayed the same, and no one person became irreplaceable.

    I presume your previous company survived had have continued to do ok afterwards?
     
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    Yes you have to trust your board are going to back you aswell, not sell your best players and replace them with kids from Mickey mouse leagues.

    You talk about trust when hecky was here he changed his agent and allegedly applied for other jobs while he was in charge before getting the leeds one, do I blame him?no because he also must have been frustrated with losing his best players.

    In football for a manager it's a career daniels achievements were getting questioned by his own fans and his career tarnished by the board. Got to look after you self in any job.
     
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    We couldnt afford to keep those players...ie new contracts offered...they could get better elsewhere and our remit is to sell on this premise.
    We as a club as you stated seriously undersold pinnock.
     
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    Would the board really have expected Stern to stay on if Daniel left though?
     
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    Dub-Tyke Well-Known Member

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    Totally agree. But sometimes you can get ‘caught out’ by looking after yourself - that’s the risk you take.
     
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    Yea...i guess that company, which i helped create are doing just dandy but like bfc....i was not the first to leave in dubious circumstances (like hecky?). Sooner or later people will intelligently question the people in power and ask what could have be done differently. If you have a "good un" you look after them and create something special. I think we have missed a trick with danny.
     
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    First thing I noticed. A lot of words to not deny the very thing he was accused of.
     
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    Surely the questions -
    whilst still being paid by BFC did DS approach another club and if he did was it in breach of his contract with the club?
     
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    Like all of us on here I'm thoroughly engaged and invested in what's going / gone on. Its inevitable that there will be disagreements because people care. Some comments are ludicrous whilst others not so.
    Just want to say Dub Tyke that, in amongst this stormy sea of raw emotion, your observations and analysis of the issue are spot on. In my opinion.
    Thank you. It's good to see some objectivity and considered thought.
     
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    The board have not ripped teams apart as you suggest. Patrick Cryne dismantled the 2016 promotion team. It has been repeatedly stated on this board why Lindsay and Pinnock were allowed to go without me reiterating it all again. Believe it or not profit is not a dirty word, particularly when the club is being run on a financially even keel and not wallowing along scraping the depths like Bolton Wanderers. Yes I’m fed up with our current league situation but for every team that has successfully thrown money into their team and flourished there are many who struggling under the burden of crippling debt
     
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    There a throwing money at a team and theres buying ( or loaning) one or two experienced players for the next league up. The latter won't leave you in debt.
     
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    I’m not suggesting by any means that they have got everything right, particularly with regard to the loans option which I think they were too quick to dispense with. A couple of Matty James type players would have made all the difference. Not only would they have helped on the playing side, we might have also avoided this whole ugly business with regards to Daniel.
     
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