We Stood Firm

John Healey kept his seat too.

Albeit only just due to some silly lovely people voting Tory in Wentworth and Dearne

 

That ignores the number of Labour voters who’d have then been forced to vote Lib Dem.

I know there’s plenty of people who would have voted Labour if they’d backed Brexit.
But the truth is that the biggest ‘anti Labour - pro Brexit’ voice here are people who describe themselves as ‘traditional labour’ but haven’t voted Labour for many years.

and if you read this board you’ll see that there’s at least ‘plenty’ if not a large majority of Labour / Remain voters.

it’s a media myth that we are all working class leave voters across the red wall, there’s just enough who fall into that category to have lost labour lots of seats.

labour didn’t lose even close to 50% of their votes yesterday. So can we stop believing that ‘most’ labour voters want Leave?

 

Fck em straight up thi dry arses, dirty slimy fckers.

 

They already got one with Jarvis

 

Won did you, good on you you can carry on your bitter twisted sad life harping back to a strike 35yrs ago while some of us can move on and make a better life for ourselves free from the grudges and self pity
I'm off now to enjoy 5 more glorious years of Tory rule

 

Hope everyone who voted Tory gets exactly what they voted for. Sadly the rest of us will have to take it as well. Tory/Johnson/Farage/Rees-Mogg/ Gove/Cummings government very depressing.

 

This boards representation of the electorate does not in anyway shape or form reflect the voting populous of this country, the 2016 referendum and this general election clearly show this..I say this as a brexiteer and a Labour voter I’ve no idea yet of the percentage of votes lost by labour but the sheer scale of the amount of votes that have gone to the tories and the brexit Party shows that they really have been shafted , big time. Add to this the dismal performance of swinsons lot and you’ve got a clear picture that traditional labour voters went to the right of centre

 

Personally I think it was never a labour Cons Liberal vote it was always about Brexit. Too many MP's thought they could ignore the mandate that was given to Leaving Europe. They said the general public new nothing . had no opinion worth listening to, and they knew better than the people who elected them to represent them.

 

Can't remember mentioning the miners strike in regards to this thread but thank you for the permission never the less.

Got to take solace in small victories it seems and oh look at that, Barnsley is Labour for another 5 years, Unlucky mate xx

 

In a way they had no where else to go . Corbyns decision to keep his party happy by going down the 2nd referendum route was a fatal error . The narrative that there was a national consensus to remain was never there despite media bias indicating otherwise .

 

BBS bias was clearly wrong too.

 

Except that the "Remain"/second referendum parties took about 1.5 million more votes than the "Leave" parties when added together. Unfortunately, FPTP means that it went the way it went.

 

I think if you have a quick look at the results up and down the country, take into account the seats that the brexit party stood in, and the ones that they didn't, and the number of seats they won, even the blindest and staunchest brexit supporter MUST be able to see
YOU'VE BEEN HAD, USED AS PATSIES.

 

It’s a struggle as there’s a reluctance to dig beneath the big headline.

it’s obvious that there’s a massive swathe of labour voters who voted Leave and have subsequently now voted Tory / Brexit. Anyone ignoring that would be an idiot.

but a massive swathe does not necessarily equate to a majority of Labour voters.

Let’s take a look at the c10,000 voters who left Ed Milliband to vote either Tory or Brexit. 10,000 is a significant number and would have lost a lot of MPs their seat. But it’s still outweighed by the number of people who voted for him.

even here with a massive majority for Leave, ignoring the Remain vote would have hit labour just as hard as ignoring Leave would.

and whether you agree or not, those numbers align with the poll at the time of the Brexit vote as well as this board as a small sample.

 

In metropolitan areas, like where I live in Headingley Labour did well. We only took the seat from the Lib Dems in 2017 & more than doubled the majority.
Lib Dems were back in 3rd, behind the Tories, suggesting Labour picked up the majority of the remain vote. Alex Sobel is a young guy & made it clear he was pro remain. That clearly has not worked in the heartlands. If Labour had a bad night, which is an understatement, things were worse for the Lib Dems, even their leader being defeated by the SNP. It's hard to say if Labour had been more centrist, they would have done loads better. A lot of policies were popular, but brexit & the unpopularity of Corbyn in heartland areas seem to be the key things.

 

remind me of the last 9 years achievements please? without a slanging match, without throwing abuse, im genuinely interested.

 

Yes we stood firm in Barnsley

 

It isn't as simple as saying we can add up the remain parties etc.. If that was the case, then remain had a real hammering based on the fact that only the Greens, Fib Dems, SNP were true remain parties.

Labour as we know sat on the fence whilst the Tories went full brexit mode + BXP votes..

So many Labour votes will still have been leavers who are very tribal to voting Labour. My vote went to Labour but had to grit my teeth on the brexit issue being a leave voter. This was on the basis that the general election is more than a single issue vote. So I possibly risked losing the outcome on brexit that I would prefer by voting Labour, and I am sure many others did the same.

I wouldn't be surprised to see it somewhere now as a 50/50 split in terms of leave and remain.

 

i dont think that many did.

the majority of labour losses were to brexit or the tories. not lib dems. thats says to me that brexit was the major issue for many here.

 

As did Pontefract and Rotherham. They were all waking up with Labour MP's in a Conservative government. I wonder how the spending will reflect that in these areas. I would rather had the Tories win in Wingfield where I live.