If Labour moves back to the centre it will be just the same as the Tories

we've had a referendum and now this election and yet some folk are still getting their log books and slide rules out to try and devise a system where remain hold the aces,its getting too daft to laugh at, the effin tories have got a majority bigger than owt since that cow thatcher and some are trying their best to make it look like they've won nothing

and i say this as someone who despises the tories.

 

Mr Skinner was the best for me and even he lost his seat.

 

agreed

and he was a leave voter, i honestly cant believe they shafted him..

 

And this is of concern, we need a credible opposition with a credible leader at the helm. The longer corbyn holds on the less likely this will happen and labour will become as irrelevant as the lib dems.

 

There’s no confusion, unless you wrote something you didn’t truly believe or mean. again you’ve praised policy but criticised the person. You haven’t voted labour since 1997! If you can’t see that policy is irrelevant then I really don’t know what I’m wasting time for.

Here’s an extract from the tweet above in case you glossed over it. I wonder what changed between 2017 and 2019......


On Jeremy. This bit is hard, because when I knocked on your doors in 2017, so many of you talked about what a good guy he seemed, that he was on the side of the people and that he was getting a very hard time from people inside the Labour Party and out. People who were less friendly to Labour spoke about how damaging a divided party is, about things like the IRA and the connections internationally that you didn’t understand or agree with.

By 2019, you seemed so much angrier about Jeremy Corbyn. I had a handful of angry people say “I would shoot him” or “take a gun to his head” whilst in the next breath calling him an extremist. But mostly people were not connecting with him for lots of different reasons. I know people on either side of the Brexit division wanted him to come down on the side of Remain or Leave. I don’t want to patronise anyone by saying that this was all the fault of the media. I know people make up their own minds. But I cannot and will not accept that the media had no part. So much of the coverage sought to demolish Jeremy from day one, not because of him as a person, but because of his politics.

And that demonization will happen to other leaders who try and challenge the way things are: the inequality, the poverty and merciless, brutal wars. It will happen to those who push for a different economic system to save the planet. It will happen again when we try and argue for a better, more equal world. For the last three years, on almost every interview on policy, or what we believe as representatives of the Labour Party, questions of his popularity intervened. That had an immense impact.

 

Not really sure whether Mike Bähre should start on Saturday or not. We looked good against QPR as an attacking force both before and after he was substituted, but allegedly the substitution was tactical.

Personally I'd pick the same team as Saturday after the change, and put Mike on the bench. Depending on injuries of course, if Aapo Halme is fit again it could be a tricky selection problem.

 

Your kind of sounding like brexit is a foregone conclusion . Remember you ve put your faith in Boris ............... I think you ll get the 31 st of January deadline that we ve " left " . The transition period is a different matter , and don't be fooled by some law saying it can't be extended . It will merely be an act of Parliament and easily overturned as it's not really law , just an executive order . Nothing's really changed for me . The ticking time bomb that is brexit is still firmly strapped to the tories chest .

 

So people weren't so sure about him in 2017 and had learned much more about him by 2019.And thats the fault of the media for reporting the issue of antisemitism in the labour party and Corbyns wholly inadequate responses, and its the medias fault for reporting his support of terrorist organizations, do you not think that any of it lies at his door then ? Or is it just us plebs as you call us who cant research who/what we’re voting for and make an informed choice. As I said earlier whilst-ever labour is gripped by the hard left class warriors, dismissive of their core supporters as they were this time around, labour will play nothing more than a bit part in British politics for years to come.

 

A man who has not voted Labour for 22 years, you are not missed. Keep reading the Sun and form your opinions from that. Meanwhile Brexit is going to be a shitstorm, clocks ticking.

 

If they're from a bygone era, how come they absolutely trounced the tories if you only count anybody under 45? 'Middle England' is disappearing thanks to the policies of several consecutive governments (both labour and tory).

 

again, i missed your outrage over marie gatland (have a google if the daily mail haven't reported it) i missed your outrage about conservative antisemitism and islamaphobia....be angry about all injustice not just the ones that suit your political agenda. you talk about following one side dogmatically, about rose tinted specs even but lets not pretend this isn't anything other than fake outrage on your part because you dont like a particular person.

policy over personality. but this is like its like trying to talk to those rocks you work with.

 

Well within the margin of error.

but... y’know! Facts eh?

People like to pretend that the Leave vote was somehow ‘massively in favour’. But marginally edged it is the correct description. If 52% of my family wanted to holiday in Butlins and 48% wanted to stay home the grown up answer is to look for something to try to please most - not to move to Butlins and burn the house down, whilst screaming ‘we won - get over it!’

 

Pretty sure if you add up the numbers of voters that the parties that were advocating remain or another referendum got more votes than the leave parties. It makes no difference because the Torres got the majority required to rule but it is interesting nevertheless.

 

So we’ve gone from fo

No fake outrage required, the country has done it's homework on Corbyn and his policies. We voted accordingly. Your assertion is that we're all too thick, mis informed and gullible - "plebs" is what you called us.
What I'm saying is that unless Labour changes course it'll be a long long time before we have anything other than a Tory government.
Doing the same things and expecting a different result was Einsteins definition of madness wasn't it ?

 

what you are saying? isnt what you've been saying all along! here is what pleb means by thew way. you feel free to continue arguing with yourself.

pleb
/plɛb/

1. an ordinary person, especially one from the lower social classes.

 

I dont need a dictionary definition thanks, it’s a term often used in a derogatory sense as it was in the context of your post. I appreciate that You Corbyn supporters are so dismissive of the legitimacy of facts supporting an opposite view but please don’t insult the working class using a term in a derogatory rant then try to legitimize what you posted.It’s rather like looking at a photograph of Corbyn alongside adams at a rally supporting bobby sands then saying he didnt support the ira. You carry on fighting the good fight comrade, the rest of us have taken our heads out of our ar$es. Unless Labour do the same they're doomed.

 

wow. You seem to have a closed mind and decided already. Policies remember ...... or not...., You claim to have took your head out of your arse in 1997, some might think it’s still stuck there.

 

Hang on we have had endless people on here over the past year or so accusing the Conservatives of being 'Far Right'. Now you are saying they are centre. What exactly do you mean by 'centre'?

 

go to ingoldmels if it makes you feel better

 

I'm fed up of hearing all this OTT stuff about Labour in the media. There's nothing wrong with their ideals, Brexit won't be a negative issue for them in 2024, they just need to find a more likeable, inspirational leader. The Tories dropped to 160-odd seats throughout the Blair years and no-one said they were finished.