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  1. Fon

    Fonzie Well-Known Member

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    So are you saying that it is factually incorrect to state that if lockdown was lifted tomorrow morning, then the number of deaths would not increase?
     
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    Quite true. Our Adult Nursing numbers fell from 180 (with a target of 210 for last year) to an actual intake of 100 (last September) in just a couple of years of the bursary being scrapped. Even though many of the students arent originally from Leeds roughly 95% of them stay on and go to Jimmy's or LGI. Then they brought it back this year, just a ridiculous mess of policy within the same governments reign.
     
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    I see the USA is due to lift restrictions in 20 states from tomorrow. I've noticed that although NY and NJ deaths have been falling, elsewhere there's already been a modest increase in cases and deaths. If you look at the graphs many states haven't peaked yet, even though their death tolls have not been particularly severe. I suspect we're doing to see more deaths elsewhere in the USA.
     
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    Watcher_Of_The_Skies Well-Known Member

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    As from today's figures - hospitals only. Usual caveats apply....

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    Note the high deatghs from Mid Yorkshire - which IIRC is Pinderfields serving Wakefield, Dewsbury, Pontefract area. It's really quite high when you consider the population difference between it and Sheffield. Sadly, having experienced that hospital three times with my parents last year, it pains me to say it's not very good on the whole.

    My brother's other half also NHS who works in various hospitals, says "If you can go to Barnsley General, really good hospital"
     
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    Watcher_Of_The_Skies Well-Known Member

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    Lab cases reported in Barnsley, certainly levelling off. Stay inside people!

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    Top 35 hospital trusts in terms of deaths recorded. Correct as of today.

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    Not just women who get bat
    so why didn’t labour do anything about it when they were in power
     
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    Christ, not this again.
     
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    How long would you genuinely keep it locked down then regardless of how many jobs and therefore homes are lost?
    Ignoring Oxford unis absolutely crazy bluster about this September which goes against all the rules the most common thought process for a vaccine (if they manage to get one that works at all) is 18 months.
     
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    It doesnt at all from a distancing point of view its better than a city dweller walking 10 mins from home on pavements to a park walking for 50 mins in the park where its easier but not always possible to avoid coming within 2 metres of others then walking 10 mins on pavements back. I guess for you the only question is if you go on the fells and slip and twist an ankle or even break a leg and need rescuing you wont be popular. Though you could do the same just walking in the local park of course but wouldnt need the rescue - just the hospital treatment.

    Im currently fighting a dilemma - we can walk into our local woods from home which is what we have been doing - I could take a longer walk to Frensham pond the first part is through the woods then across fields and through a farm! to the pond where there is plenty of space again. Or I could drive for 10 minutes and park at the pond. Getting a bit bored with the same basic walk so would be nice to do the pond one but is it better to walk and pass though a farm which involves going through gates and past a farm house and barn - or drive for 10 mins. - At the moment we are just sticking to the local walks
     
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    I haven't a clue to be honest, all I know is that I wouldn't be lifting it in the next 6 weeks or so.

    Loss of life is surely more important than loss of job.
     
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    But the Labour Party had the chance to rectify what mrs thatchers and mr majors governments mistakes but they didn’t all this blame it on the conservatives all time when both parties have been at fault
     
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    Losses of job = losses of life.

    If you lift it in 6 weeks there is no vaccine. Remember that 4 months ago we were coronavirus free in the UK and despite a lockdown after 3 months it had risen to this level. What makes anyone think it would not happen again just like it has?

    Until people accept that the elderly and the vulnerable are a higher risk and therefore treat them differently the deaths will always always be there.
    We seem to be so focused on trying to eradicate the ineradicable that we are missing the opportunity to focus our attention on those who need protecting which is directly what has led to thousands of deaths in care homes.
     
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    I wouldn't waste your breath, mate. Thick as mince.
     
  15. Wat

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    Ive already answered this before. In short investment in the NHS under New Labour increased massively and there were increases in doctors, nurses and decreases in waiting times. There's lots I didn't agree with, but those things are true.

    Under the Tories, well we all know what happened.

    It's also historically true that the NHS under the Tories is underfunded.
     
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