Am I unpatriotic

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  1. Farnham_Red

    Farnham_Red Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    I got emailed this programme for today from our local parish chuch and apart from the silence at 11am I am just about to do absolutely none of the rest appeals to me. I might have done a street party as a social event had it been practical but our road doesnt lend itself to all in our gardens -

    Friends of the Bourne Parish
    VE DAY 75 Years
    8th May 2020



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    It was on this date that great celebrations took place across Europe and North America: in London over a million people celebrated Victory in Europe (VE) Day. Crowds massed in Trafalgar Square and up the Mall to Buckingham Palace, where King George VI and Queen Elizabeth, accompanied by the Prime Minister, Winston Churchill, waved to the crowds. Amongst those crowds Princess Elizabeth (the future Queen Elizabeth II) and her sister, Princess Margaret blended anonymously, apparently enjoying the celebrations for themselves first hand.

    We hope you enjoy listening to some music and readings, put together by members of our choir and congregation, in some cases miles apart! Scroll to the end of the newsletter and press on the red box.
    8th May 1945 - 8th May 2020


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    Join your neighbours in a nationwide "Stay at Home" street party

    Prepare for the day by decorating your house in red, white and blue.

    11am Two minutes silence on your doorstep

    1pm Enjoy the Bourne Parish Concert

    3pm Churchill's Speech shown on the BBC
    Then grab your picnic blankets or garden table and head to your front garden for:

    4pm Tea and scones (or coffee and cake)

    6pm Dinner and raise your glass to your neighbours

    9pm Nationwide sing-a-long to 'We'll meet again' with Royal British Legion after the Queen's address

    Click VE DAY for more ideas or click VIRTUAL VE DAY FESTIVAL for a Joint Forces Commemoration
    https://ve-vjday75.gov.uk/
     
  2. North Yorks Red

    North Yorks Red Well-Known Member

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    If you are you pretty much sums my outlook too
     
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    And mine.
     
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    Sounds very boring to me. I'm bored but not that bored.
     
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    Great thing about Victory for freedom is it gives you the right to participate or not....
    So its totally up to you mate...
     
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    The answer is No, you are not being unpatriotic. It seems to be a much bigger thing than it was 50 years ago. When I was growing up my father would look at the date and say something like "It's VE Day today" and that was it.
    There is no doubt that we owe a hell of a lot to those who helped defeat the NAZI evil. We commemorate this and remember those who gave their lives on Armistice Day/Remembrance Sunday.

    I hope that we can now move on and deal with our current threats be they viral, economic and/or political.
     
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    No Dave you are not unpatriotic. We all should be eternally grateful for the sacrifice troops made in the great wars. But they did it for our freedom and did not feel they were doing anything heroic. They did it it for future generations to be able to have freedom of speech and of choice. So no mate you are not unpatriotic you are exercising the rights for which those men & women fought for.
     
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    Think it’s just because it’s a ‘special’ anniversary and they are also getting a bit more poignant as we are fast running out of that generation.
     
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    I think VE day should be commemorated not celebrated. Estimates of between 70-85 million lives were lost. Numbing.
     
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    I won't be dressing the house up like we are having a VE street party but I'll be thinking about the war and hoping nothing like it ever happens again.

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    Only you know if you're unpatriotic or not. Then again, would you be a nasty person if you weren't patriotic?
     
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    I don't think it's a so much a question of being patriotic or not but more of an issue of how to show respect for those who lost their lives or had their lives irrevocably altered by WW2.
    Mentioned in a different thread about my Czech born grandmother who survived the Death camps before coming to the UK in 1947.
    She lost her country and her relatives and she suffered appalling atrocities

    Each year her descendants meet up at this time - can't do it this year - to remember her and respect her memory.
    For thousands like her things didn't suddenly become 'normal' after V E Day - for the rest of their lives many carried a tremendous burden.

    I think you should participate in some of the events simply as a way of respecting those who died or who were badly affected by WW2.
     
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    We really supported the Czechs in 1938 dint we?
     
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    I think I am with @Plankton Pete - something that should be commemorated not celebrated. The 2 minutes silence I fully support a singalong of partiotic songs just seems so inappropriate to me as does putting out bunting and having "parties" on your own when we cant even protect those who fought for us in their care homes now.

    To be honest I dont think I am that patriotic - I care for my country and neighbours but not to the extent that it has a higher priority than right and wrong. I agree that WW2 had to be fought and am grateful and thankful for those that did I knew well some that fought though they are all gone now and none of them would have wanted to celebrate in the way outlined above. I dont like the way patriotism seems to have been hijacked to celebrate the war as a great thing - all the war analogies over Brexit and the Corona fight leave me cold I am afraid.
    We even had the Daily Mail calling VE day Victory Over Europe - I am not that sort of patriot
     
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    No you're not, or you've certainly never struck me as being so. You may not be passionately patriotic at every opportunity, but that's a long way short of being unpatriotic.
     
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    Surely the end of such carnage is a reason to celebrate. The folks 75 years ago thought so.
    Not that I am celebrating though but respect to those who are.
     
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    We've a street party, all on the front lawns within our gardens. Kids all made bunting, baked, made flags.

    Told the young un to enjoy it and think of his great grandad, world will be so PC and fecked up for the 100th anniversary they won't even be allowed to mention it.
     
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    we can commemorate an event in a solemn way and we can celebrate the same event in a joyous way.
    Nothing wrong with a two minute silence at 11.00 and a party at 2.00.

    with apologies for wittering on about my grandmother! - but when she got together with others who had been affected by the War it was always a commemoration because of the sadness of the occasion - they had lost so much.
    I don't think she felt able to celebrate things.

    The important thing is that we acknowledge the sacrifice they made and never forget.
     
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    Growing up and attending Chapel (Welsh Methodist) when it came to the annual Remembrance Sunday we would have a 2 minute silence.
    During this silence we became aware that one of the congregation was unashamedly weeping. He had fought in the war and had lost his brother and some of his friends.
    Each year we would have a party on the preceding Saturday to celebrate the end of the War (Methodists don't have parties on a Sunday!)
    I recall nothing of these parties but have a vivid memory of the man who was crying.
    So for me it is the sombre commemorations that are the most effective reminders of the War.
     
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    It is very hard to be Patriotic, when you live in a country where there exists a layer of society that constantly looks to keep the downtrodden down, and only ever looks to the vast majority of its citizens in any form of envy/ gratitude in times of crisis ( and much of that is either faux and/or short lived) This layer uses its money and influence to control much of the press and media to maintain attacks and influence upon on anyone and anything that dare to challenge it including politics and the Ballot box. I have utmost respect for the fallen, and still enjoy listening to the stories from my old dad about his dad who fought in the North Africa campaign and later died in Italy. I’ve no problem of telling anyone I’m British or English, even after we were called the ‘Enemy within’ However, I treat Patriotism with a degree of caution these days particular with the far-right only too ready to hijack anything.
     

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