Workplace inspections

Immigrants working for the NHS are currently charged *extra* to use the NHS. I believe the decision to increase that charge from £400 to £625 (from next year) was taken in the last few weeks.

 

You’ve just proven my point Scoff ‘ they only specify that .....’ they shouldn't be specifying it at all, this is OUR country not theirs. WE are now free to set the conditions upon which folk are given the right to come here - not under EU law but under our own We should determine those conditions not them. Do you see my point ? This is what I mean when I post about sovereignty WE decide our entry criteria not the EU. It doesn't make me anti immigrant, it means I want our government to decide what immigration looks like for our country and not the EU.

 

Whatever your "understanding" is, it is currently 25k. And there's no exemption for those working in the NHS. If it becomes this then it's a different conversation. But currently it's not the case.

So Boris can go and clap all he likes on a Thursday, but he will be making it illegal for immigrants to do many jobs in the NHS and in care homes.

It's racism.

As simple as that.

 

I assume that that’s immigrants from outside the Uk ? But in any event I agree it makes no sense that immigrant workers paying PAYE would then be expected to effectively pay twice if the proposed fee is passed as part of the Bill.

 

It’s not the case because it’s the second reading today of a draft. It’s a proposal which will be subject to amendments. Nothing has been made illegal Fonzie, may I suggest you switch off your Billy Brag cd and put The Guardian in the bottom of the budgie cage where it belongs. It isn't racism its the same common sense approach that Australia have, are you calling Australia racist as well ??

 

Australians can be very racist yes.

 

Think your blown out of the water with that statement .
The country that puts its indigenous people as second class citizens and refugees on devils islands Concentration camps?
Nah not racists at all !!!

 

So it’s racist to control who comes into your country then ? It’s only racist if your decision to prevent entry is based on race, surely ? The points based system will probably include such things as education, skills, English speaker. It’s unlikely to be based on the colour of someones skin or their ethnicity. It isn't racist at all, its just an easy term to throw at a system you disagree with to make it seem unacceptable.

 

I understand what it is thank you very much. That's why I used phrases like "currently" and "will be".

Let me ask you another question.

Two people do the same job. Both are paid 20k a year. One is English, one is a Polish immigrant. Both are equally as good at their job as the other. The government makes it illegal for the immigrant to work here.

Are you ok with that?

 

The Pole only becomes illegal if he Remains here but fails to apply for settled status, given that he already has paid employment (one of the eu’s own freedom of movement requirements) and applies for settled status in what way would he be deemed illegal ? There’s a mechanism in place for those here legally to apply to stay, I think you’re desperate to play the race card when it’s not appropriate to do so here.

 

Name the points I'm wrong on

 

Apologies - I misread this example. It applies to those wishing to work here.

Either way, it's backward as fck.

 

IF he applies for settled status he can continue to work here. If he wants to convert to citizenship, it will cost him a minimum of £6000 and according to reports yesterday he can't use his settled status as proof of residence.

No, that is the situation *now*. It has been scrapped for this year for NHS workers due to the pandemic, but immigrants pay an extra charge on top of NI for healthcare.

It was a mutually agreed reciprocal arrangement between the British and other EU governments . As it stands now, anyone with a Maltese, Cypriot or Irish passport living in the UK has full rights to live here, vote in elections and work here. They can also continue to work in the EU. People in the UK with a British passport can only live or work here or Ireland. This creates two tiers of citizens living in the UK, with British citizens having less rights or opportunities while living here than others who weren't born here. Reciprocally, any UK citizens living in the EU are losing the right to cross-border work, so simultaneously giving British citizens less rights in 30 other countries than they had previously.

We are *now* second class citizens across most of our own continent with less rights or freedoms than other citizens. This puts us as individuals and as a nation at a disadvantage over what are now our rivals. All so that we can do something that we could do anyway (control immigration).

 

I’m not trying for a row I’m genuinely interested in the other side of the debate, in what way is it wrong to want to control immigration ? I’m not saying stop immigration just control it ? Under EU rules we currently can’t. It’s not racist, it’s not xenophobic, I honestly don’t understand your objection ???

 

Because I want the best people for the job. Whether they're from Barnsley or Belgium, Penistone or Poland. I don't judge someone on the colour of their passport.

I genuinely don't see the objection to that.

 

Thank you. I thought I read that somewhere, but couldn't find a source. And I hate pulling things out of nowhere without backing it up with facts.

 

I work with a woman who has gained citizenship for herself and her kids, no problem. Not sure why you think it should be free ?? I’ve already said I disagree with NHS staff paying taxes through PAYE to then have to pay additionally for the NHS, not sure what the justification for this charge would be. It isn't our own continent, it’s a geographical area of the world our country is closest to, the fact is that the majority of us in our country have opted out of being a member state if the united states of europe. If I was from Egypt I’d be Egyptian, not African. And you still dont get that we cant limit immigration from the eu, we cant. Therefore we cant control immigration.

 

And I’d fully agree with you, which is what a points based system will give us.

 

Edit : it doesn't matter.

Enjoy your clapping for carers on Thursday. I presume it'll just be the English care workers you clap for.

 

So
‘You lost - we won! Get over it’

doesn’t only justify steering the economy over a cliff to satisfy the little Englanders. We’re now using it to justify killing tens of thousands of people!!

I hadn’t realised that killing folk was OK so long as you’d got a decent majority. I thought we lived in a civilised country.