This is who Cummings is....

I take your point but at one point shortly after the result he definitely said that the promise was nothing to do with him and yet there he is posing in front of it. His advisor has said in quite clear terms that it was Boris making the promise. Now regardless of whether we think the promise was doable or not it has to be accepted that one of these two men has flat out lied.

 

Agreed

 

I’ve seen a few times now where Boris/Tory MP replies differently or at least is reported to have and I think the issue sometimes here is he tries to be clever by splitting hairs.
Take the ‘nothing to do with him’ comment, if the question was “was you responsible for the promise” then he is right in saying no, because it wasn’t a promise. In turn if Cummins question was who came up with the campaign, then both could be right.

Sometimes Media clearly try to construe things too. I watched the Andrew Marr show this morning and he did the same with the Police statement, trying to trip whoever it was on there(some Tory MP), The MP said the Police hadn’t gone out to speak with the family about distancing but about a separate issue. AM read the Police statement out and it clearly never said about distancing.
I’ll end with the obvious though that our government do fuel that fire.

 

Of course Euro is to blame.
And their culture of wanting great amenities but not paying taxes.
Last time I was in Greece was 3 years ago at Parga - fabulous roads around there.
Then I thought - us British have probably paid for these fookers.

 

THE euro. Not the EU.

 

So there's a video of a bloke admitting he basically treats the public with contempt, lies and manipulates them to vote for his own aims rather than in their own interests and yet those very same people are happy to carry on defending him and his party.

Stop this world, I want to get off

 

No matter what happens it always comes back to the battle lines drawn before and after Brexit referendum.
Those who supported Boris on Brexit and in general elections can't be seen to waiver on their support. It's weird, I voted remain, will openly say I've voted Labour, Greens and Lib Dems but won't ever whitewash my feelings towards the Iraq war and tuition fees ( and failings during coalition government). It's like folk are locked in, a personal political Stockholm syndrome.

 

It's exactly this. A burning desire to be part of the "winning side". It's so, so weird.

 

All that burning desire, and still each time you end up on losing side - maybe you may eventually see how ridiculously out of date your thoughts are -

 

this has gone on for decades mate, by all political parties.

broken promises on all sides.

in 1997 the labour party championed and promised a vote on the future of our continued membership of the EU, they basically saw a vote winner and used it with great effect, this was also manipulation and lies.

i vote labour in all general elections but this doesnt stop me from remembering that they also are capable of manipulation.

the world is full of manipulation,every advert and advertising campaign is manipulation

 

Stop following me around you fcking weirdo.

 

I generally like the way you articulate your points but I have noticed that on the subject of Brexit you lose the level-headed rationale you generally apply to your points. Most people that voted Brexit know the difference between immigration and racism and it doesn't make them racist just because they have concerns about immigration. Of course some people who voted to leave will be racist, I suspect that there is a good argument that racist people probably did vote to leave, if they bothered to vote but they are a tiny minority; the vast majority of the 17.4 million who voted to leave are not racist.

 

Pretty much how I see it too.

PS. I still think he has to resign though but only because of his recent actions, not because of anything he has said in this video which is completely irrelevant to the breaking of the lockdown guidance.

 

I do let emotions rule on this point Mario. I admit it. I do genuinely believe that the percentage is more than a tiny minority though and that minority swung the vote.
I also admit that my posts are generally pretty contemptuous towards some. I'm afraid that i see a world dominated by Trumps, Putins, Xis and Bolsonaros and see the future for all our descendants as pretty dire. It angers me.
I didn't add Johnson into that group as I'm afraid i see a Britain outside of Europe as less and less influential.
Anyway, my contempt is never pointed in your direction mate. You always try to be reasoned in your posts.

 

Yes - and you a a few more - stop following me around.

 

as usual MK an excellent post.
It was my view that the EU was slowly moving to a right wing/nationalistic agenda. Nationalism is the bedrock of racism. So I voted to leave.
What none of us know is what the result of the massive economic and financial problems that are going to impact on all countries whether EU members or not will be. It may be that as a result of the forthcoming problems we find it was fortunate that we have left the EU - or possibly the opposite will

 

Sound advice.

 

Another example of your false statements, broken promises and lies. Took just a couple of hours for your U turn. Some kind of record there big man

 

I think you're right that we just don't know, the current C19 pandemic has moved the goalposts meaning there is now even more uncertainty than there was previously.

I agree with your point on nationalism although I would say that one can support nationalism without having a racist agenda - the two aren't inextricably linked but I'm sure you didn't mean that.

 

Looks like I've got myself a stalker lads and lasses.

Beware of this man - 57 years old and obsessed.

Hopefully you'll go away soon.