How soon would u get on a plane?

Absolutely the majority are in favour of it; a bit like Brexit. And that was a categorically stupid thing to do which needlessly wrecked the economy and will ruin lives as well, albeit this is making it look like an inconsequential ripple in a tidal wave of liquid turd.

 

You can't - if you change flights in the UK, you have to leave the airport through arrivals then go back through security into departures - even if purely a domestic flight with the same airline. Done this at Southampton and Jersey in the last six months.

 

You risk of dying in a car crash in the UK is 1800/66000000 per year = 0.0027%. (Lifetime, you are looking at 144000/66000000 - or 0.22%). You risk of dying of COVID is currently 40000/6600000 or 0.061%. You are ~5 times more likely to die of COVID in the last 3 months than in a car crash in the full year.

Yes, that does include many older people, but breaking down by working age sectors, such as teachers = 65/500000 = 0.013% (up to early May - can't remember exact date), which equates to being about twice as likely to die from COVID in 2020 than a car crash.

 

I get annoyed with people saying it's "Just the flu".

Jay clearly didn't say that and shouldn't be tarred with the same brush.

 

https://www.elcomercio.es/sociedad/...000-nt.html?ref=https://t.co/9HaKSlKcxJ?amp=1

WHO think a second wave is increasingly unlikely. I would agree looking at how countries further on than us in this haven't had one despite relaxing a lot of everyday life. I would say there is every chance you will this year be able to go on a plane and not worry about social distancing.

 

Surprisingly, many of the people who are for the lockdown are those that were against Brexit. Many who didn't care about the economic damage of leaving behind all the trading arrangements, etc are deeply concerned about the economic effects of COVID.

 

“Yes that’s does include many older people” Ah so what you’ve done there is modified the calculatuons to try and prove your point.

https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-injuries/preventable-death-overview/odds-of-dying/

That states I have a 1 in 106 chance of dying in a motor vehicle crash, show me somewhere research that says I (a 31 year old) have a 1 in 106 chance of dying of covid.

 

Think as a whole it was mainly older people in favour of Brexit and Lockdown.

 

How was Brexit a categorically stupid thing to do? We haven’t left yet so how do you know?When did it wreck the economy or have I missed summart? Think when all this is over Brexit will be the best thing to happen to this country. Time will tell unless you’ve got a crystal ball like TM.

 

We still don't have a trade deal.

We import ~30% of our food from the EU.

How do you propose we manage to fill that hole?

I hope you've got a time machine because the fruit and veg that we should be consuming in 6-12 months should have already been planted. It hasn't been planted by fams within the EU as it normally is, because they have no idea if they will be able to sell to us after December after the transition period.

And by the way, we have left. We left at the end of January.

 

That's the point. There's no "just" about influenza. It's a horrible disease and kills millions. So is Covid-19. This strain differs slightly than the others we have encountered in that it appears to affect young people less, but is more sever for older people and those with underlying health conditions and results in more fatalities for those groups. And, due to no prior immunity within the population, no vaccine, and what appears to be a hardier virus in terms of remaining active on surfaces, is far more contagious.

 

And your sources for this are? Or is it just your thoughts?

 

That's in America - where the driving test is taken at school and you are roughly 100x more likely to die in a traffic accident than in the UK - USA 38000 per annum for 360m population, UK 1800 from 66m population. As I showed above, the chances of dying in the UK from a car crash is 0.22% (or 1 in 454) in your lifetime - or 1 in 37000 this year. Your chances of dying from COVID in the last 3 months are higher than that. For teachers it was around 1 in 7700 up early May - those odds will have shortened. For NHS workers, it is lower (better provision of PPE and safety precautions), for taxi drivers much higher.

 

Most of the remainers I follow on Twitter are very seriously in favour of the lockdown - usually following fact-based reasoning from experts in the various fields (or are those experts) such as economics and epidemiology. Plus, the older, more vulnerable members of society - a majority of whom will have voted for Brexit.

 

Just my observations, but you can pretty much take my word as fact.

 

Don’t think there’s any relation between views on Brexit and views on the lockdown to be honest.

 

Easy, buy from elsewhere. Buy from Africa, Asia, South America, USA. This is all on the presumption there will be no trade deal. I meant to say we haven’t fully left the EU till December, but I’m sure you knew that.

 

And where does the fruit and veg come from that should have already been planted or us to eat in 6-12 months time? Time Machine?

 

No thanks.