Got Brexit done

I thought that description was generally used about Brexit supporters?

 

I agree Sadbrewer, it does make you wonder why they’ve shut the Barcelona plant when the UK is supposed to be sinking economically. Suppose Nissan know what they are doing and have greater faith in us than the remainers will ever have.

 

But the resources and the pressure on services would remain the same if you just replaced one lot of migrants with another.

 

I could be wrong here Pontyrich but citizens of HK,don't have automatic settlement rights in the UK or the right to work. Chinese Visa entry is quite stringent. Since 2015 Immigration rules for people wishing to enter the UK have become quite harsh,even from Commonwealth countries. If you are wealthy and intend to start a business, it grants you access. Due to EU freedom of movement we have been able to fill.in the gaps . Now this is going plus the nee Patel directive,it is difficult to see how the shortfall will be made up. For instance, under the 2015 rules it has been virtually impossible for Health Trusts to recruit Nurses from non EU countries ,even though they are qualified.
Also, you have to remember that in the the last 10 years, this government have cut the number of Border control,Customs and Immigration staff. Whereas EU countries across the channel,have been increasing theirs.I think this may lead to problems on our Islands from next year.
On the original point, I may be wrong but I don't see a large number of Chinese immigrants arriving in the UK or having right to.

 

Yeah, I agree with you. I hadn’t really research it was just giving a generalisation of events, think more to upset China than anything else. I agree that nowhere near 3 mill will come over or even be able to come.

 

I have always believed that the stronger the Nationalist presence in any country's government the more likely it is that country will have a racist agenda. Look at Germany in 1939.
There is a rise in nationalism across Europe - look at President Orban of Hungary, the situation in Spain with the Vox party, the AfD party in Germany (ahead of Merkels' CDU in some areas,)Italy - not sure what is happening in France.

I fear that as the EU (if it survives!) becomes increasingly nationalistic then there is a greater threat of racism.

For that reason I was a Leaver - because there was less risk of the UK following a racist/nationalist agenda if we were outside the EU. Some of us were leavers to try to avoid the threat of racism.

 

There not immigrants though if they hold a British Passport surely?

 

With Nissan, I'd say the main thing most people who voted remain are feeling is relief. A massive risk that didn't need taking.

 

Don’t agree, Not saying you were doing it but a lot of remainers were saying about the people of Sunderland that were like turkeys voting for xmas(heard that a lot). Project fear at its finest. They were simply wrong. I’ll say it again, if it was the other way round this board would’ve gone into meltdown.

 

UK government gave Nissan £80 million I read somewhere

 

The Spanish Govt also made an offer of 100 m Euros.

 

They will wait till Brexit goes tits up then jump at the 100 m Euros. another killing for the moneymen with this Brexit.

 

Are we going to have enough money in this country to increase their market share in the way they want to?

 

It's nothing to do with Brexit as such, Nissan don't need EU factories anymore due to the EU/Japan free trade deal and Barcelona is nowhere near as efficient as Sunderland.

 

It's crossed my mind too...but they are hard headed businessmen....I can only assume they have confidence in the future, bearing in mind they have invested serious amounts of money in Sunderland since 2016.

 

Even hard headed businessmen make mistakes. Maybe they're banking on cars coming in from Europe as being that bit more expensive. New cars though arent at the forefront of peoples minds when they're fearing redundancy though.

 

They probably expect to be able to pay lower wages in the UK going forward.

 

The point of the post is that immigration is a fact and a necessary one at that. King Canute was told by his advisers (get that), that he could stop the tide, but it was fake news. Some people voted for Brexit in order to "take back control of our borders" so that we could all go down to the pub and have a pint with that nice Mr. Farage and not have to listen to foreign tongues all the time. Yes I know it wasn't you, but without those people the Brexit vote would never have passed.
The real reason for Brexit is that it allowed the Tories to remain in power and got us to forget the years of unnecessary austerity that destroyed our services and gave us nothing in return. When you hear a slogan like "Take back control" it's worth asking the question : "Who specifically is taking back control of what?"
I'm sure that if there is to be immigration from Hong Kong, it will prove to be beneficial to the country and the economy, although I don't believe it will happen on anything like the scale suggested.

 

Very true as we are only too well aware.

Simply highlighting that individual legitimate migrants like you and I, who complied with all the necessary processes and are self supporting, paying taxes, contributing to Health services etc to obtain residency with huge numbers of undocumented migrants (many economic rather than refugees)dependent on the recipient country arriving weekly was enough to elicit cries of "hypocrite", "racist" and "vile human being" from one or two on here. It is one of the reasons I lost my cool on one or two occasions.

Notwithstanding it WILL be a little more difficult' (but not impossible) post Brexit, they seem not to understand that pre Brexit, residency required certain conditions to be met e.g. minimum household annual income even before permanent residency is granted after 5 years 'probation' (in effect) in the case of Italy.

Some fail to comprehend that, within constraints of FoM rules in the EU, countries unilaterally determine many aspects of immigration policy as you are no doubt aware e.g. dual taxation treaties are nothing to do with the EU. You had to jump through various bureaucratic and administrative hoops to move to an EU country as did I, even as UK citizens.

 

Actually I'm still UK resident and expect to remain so until 2026. Mrs Burgundy Red is now French resident, though, so I'm familiar with the hoops. I suspect it will be more than "a little more difficult" to migrate post-Brexit and that's one of the main reasons why my wife and I have taken this approach, which neither of us wanted but which gives us some insurance against what the new rules might look like. We consider ourselves lucky that we had this small window of opportunity to get a foot in the door under the current regulations. We wish for future generations that it were not closing.