McCanns

Andy why did they lie to people and change their statements? Especially about things they didn't need to lie about. Like being able to see the room form their table when they clearly couldn't.

 

Yeah I'm getting a bit carried away.

 

If we take the account of the Mccans as truth then they are massively at fault. Guilty of child neglect that lead to the likely death of their daughter. They should have been prosecuted accordingly.

 

Instead they got millions in the bank.

 

I used to be one of these that had the view that they’d probably done it & even if they hadn’t then they should’ve got done for neglect but reading up on the case & listening podcasts on it & my own life experience has changed my mind.

It just doesn’t add up.

Let’s say they accidentally killed Maddie through an overdose & then disposed of the body. It was I believe their 3rd visit to Portugal & they’d always gone with groups of friends & kids. So realistically they’d not been touring the country in remote spots they’d been at the resort with their mates. How are they going to find a spot in the dark where they can bury a body securely? How’s he got the tools to dig?

If she died earlier in the day then again they’ve got the same issues but the roads are much busier.

If he’d took her out to sea then how did he get a boat, sail the boat, weigh her down so she wouldn’t float etc. He’d got no experience sailing.

If they got the help of a local to dispose of her then again that doesn’t add up for me. How would they be able to trust someone they didn’t know to keep that secret? I’d imagine 99.99% of people you know & trust wouldn’t cover up a secret like that for you never mind a foreigner you didn’t know.

As for the neglect then yes what they did was obviously wrong & I’m sure they know that & never left their twins again afterwards. Unfortunately they learned the hard way. But the whole ‘a working class couple would be locked up’ is nonsense. Kids get neglected all the time, it isn’t right but it happens. I’ve gone through rough areas & seen kids as small as Maddie in gardens unattended, my parents have told me that on holiday they used to see plenty of parents leave kids in their rooms while they were in the hotel bar. There’s smackheads bringing kids up. The lass on that video battering that poor bloke in the town centre the other week is a mum, you think her kids always have someone watching them? Of course not.

A poster above says that they’re responsible for Maddie been killed / taken. I disagree with that. They’re responsible for giving some sicko the opportunity to take her but that doesn’t mean someone should take her. There should be no murderers or peados. Your kids should be able to sleep anywhere without the threat of been taken or murdered.

I just think after 13 years of constant abuse & criticism surely its time to lay off them, what’s it going to achieve? There lives are ruined. It’s all they’ll think about.

Having followed the case I’ve never felt like any of the previous suspects & theories added up but everything about this German, him been in the area that night, him been a burglar & a peado, him leaving the area soon after, changing his plates, him knowing the area. It all makes perfect sense. The British aren’t giving much away but the German’s seem confident it’s him. I kind of hope it is so all the family can get some closure as realistically she’s not alive.

 

It certainly is a remarkable case. As the Claudia Lawrence case is and the Ben Needham case was. I think closure is so important. I think in the Needham case it is especially harrowing because he possibly died in the place they'd bought and were renovating.

 

They admitted in interviews to giving her calpol to make her drowsy

 

Massive areas of that part of Algarve are either extremely desolate or rural. In recent years a toll road was opened but you've got rivers, marsh land, mountains and forests all within 20 min drive.

 

Two very distinctive vehicles. Apparently the roads are very narrow too? Seems odd no one noticed anything if she was taken from the apartment. This has been major worldwide news for years.

 

Hey Fonzie, I have. And I could discuss the case all day long. Even sensibly with others who have maybe studied and formed an opposite opinion - I won't bad mouth anybody who's opinion differs from mine.

I believe Maddie died in 5a before the reported date and the police investigated and came to the same conclusion. And the dogs provide the basis of my belief. I believe she died by falling and banging her head (whilst groggy) whilst climbing on the sofa to try find her mum and dad (she had wept for them the night before).

My difficulties are around WHY the parents didn't report it, unless she was dead when found and they simply panicked over a neglect charge? The Portuguese are very family oriented - there would have been a backlash.

it is the level of protection I can't fathom. If any of my belief is conspiracy-driven it is that Gerry MUST have something on somebody. But what, I can only speculate.
He worked with Gordon Brown's brother at COMARE (GB would have been chancellor at the time). Did Andrew tell him something about GB (there are stories out there!!)?
Did he tell him something about about GB's boss (Tony B). There are definitely stories about his not-so-glorious past!
Did he tell him something about the Royal family? Prince Andrew?
Why did the Royals (Prince C and wife) get involved in a direct plea days in? Thousands of British kids go missing abroad every summer (most happily found).
Why was Clarence Mitchell apointed THE DAY AFTER she went missing as family spokesman? What family need a spokesman so early? (Clarence troubleshoots things in serious **** - see Cambridge Analytica. He was also first on the seen when Jill Dando died)
Then there are the Mc's links to Clement Freud. Her book says they met after? It has been proven they met before (he was also chancellor at Dundee Uni - where they both went). Freud died a proven paedo.
Gerry worked for Celtic for a while; some of the club medical staff he worked with were done for ...... kiddy fiddling.
There is something around his family in Ireland I could dig out.
When asked "did you previously know Robert Murat (one time suspect) ....... who in their right mind answers (I'm not going to answer yes or no to that)
Gerrys Aunt Philomena telling press they expected Kate to be charged with accidental death?
Kate's post-natal depression and the chance Maddie was going to live with relatives so they could focus on the twins?
The bruises on Kates arms the days after the "snatch"
The deep clean of the apartment
The appalling doctoring of family photos taken on holiday
Gerrys trip back home and the 'missing wallet'. His trip home was for DNA from Maddies room. Did the deep clean remove all recent DNA from the apartment???
The fact they brought a photo of her from home (the eye pic of her younger self) and took that to be photocopied and distributed (rather than one from their camera
The fact the police begged them not to disclose they eye defect in case it spooked any suspect into harming her (they released the eye pic the same day

i could go on, but only if folk want genuine debate.

 

They ARE responsible in my eyes. Of course whoever took her is responsible too. It's not like they were out with her and took eyes off her for a 30 seconds and she was snatched. That's human, that's being a parent and making mistakes.
Night after night leaving children unattended is a premeditated decision to neglect her.
As for the "working class" thing I have no idea if they would be prosecuted. I do think they would have been vilified even more widely if they had been.
I hope they suffer until the day they die. The disregard they showed for their own children is absolutely disgusting.

 

Please do.

 

They probably are but these were Brits who’d only been a couple of times with young kids & friends. I can’t imagine they knew good spots to bury a body in the dark

 

The motor home yes but would the jag be that noticeable? It’s dark, after 9 at night, the apartments were to the back end of the resort away from most of the bars & restaurants. If this guy did take her he’s only got a few minutes drive to the next village.

As far as I’m aware they’ve only just asked about sightings of the jag as well. Previously they’ve only gone off drawings of faces of people seen walking near the apartments on that evening.

 

I'm pretty sure you're not accurate with regard to Clarence Mitchell.

Please supply corroboration that he was appointed family spokesman so early i.e the day after the girl's death.

He worked for the government to kick off with, and wasn't even the first one of theirs to be involved. He seemed to only become their spokesman a few weeks/months after.

 

My first thought, living in a cul de sac when I thought my toddler had somehow got out the house was what vehicles had been down the street. But all the focus was elsewhere and you have to ask why? Why did the McCann's orchestrate things in the way they did? Why was there no reconstruction?

 

Why send Clarence Mitchell in the first place?

 

Fair play.

How could she have died before the reported date? Wasn't she at the kids club that day?

 

Another question that was never satisfactorily answered. There was no record of her being signed in I believe. I've never used kids clubs for mine so dont know how they operate.

 

When was she last sighted (by anyone other than her parents) before she went missing?