But what about the Bank Holiday second spike????

The only thing that would cause that is Capitalists keen to avoid the demise of Capitalism by avoiding making a transition to something better.

 

They should be, and should have been, asking for Capitalists with the 1% of wealth to pay their way then ordinary folk already bearing the brunt of Capitalism, and this disease, shouldn't have to suffer any further.

The pressure on people comes from Capitalism and Capitalists with the power and wealth pulling up the drawbridge saying "we're not paying anymore", not a virus.

 

So we're going to ask the tiger not to eat us?

 

It's already eating us.

 

I've seen that particular statement thrown around a lot recently. I'm not sure it's a worthwhile comparison. While I think its clear our government are completely incompetent I don't think that tells us anything.
Italy and Spain have very similar death rates to us over the course of the pandemic.
Spain have also completely changed how they count the numbers it what seems to be a effort to make things look better than they are.

https://www.ft.com/content/77eb7a13-cd26-41dd-9642-616708b43673

The excess death data does tell us we have had a very tragic time of it. I haven't really seen many comparisons of that data. Germany seem to come out well on everything.

The situation has been awful but its encouraging that the numbers continue to trend downwards.

 

Today 17/75 deaths announced by NHS England happened yesterday, the rest go as far back as May 7th. Three of the 75 deaths were aged under 60.

The one lockdown fits all continues to look silly when it's proven time and time again different people are at a different level of risk. Still no second spike sign either.

 

Nice to see you taking fairly light hearted ribbing well

I will hand that to folks like you bleating our tired Thatcherism and defending capitalism. But aye your modern equivalent of sending kids up chimneys because not all of them will die doesn’t sit well. An economy can be anything that those making that economy wants it to be. We could come if this with a universal basic income and a reimagining of society. We could move away from excessive travelling and an unbalanced work life balance. But people like you standing up for a capitalism that treats those low paid workers appalling and condems those children to a life of poverty will certainly prevent any positive change.

As for risk my missis goes to work everyday treating people like you who are dismissive of the impact of a global pandemic and then comes home to her family with the risks that involves so I don’t need lectures from someone I suspect taking far fewer risks.

 

mine was light hearted to be fair but the tiger will bite you eventually.

 

He's a breath of fresh air with his positivity based on the facts in front of him. I like this guy too as recently we've had our first sub 100 deaths day for three months.....

 

Very cold statement. No empathy or anything. Children have lost grandparents there. People have lost mum and dad's. For the 3 younger people (interesting to note you see this as significant) you are dismissing as a minor statistic which you believe should give the green light for certain groups to do as they please (even though these people are more likely to do the infecting).
Sad indictment of modern Britain.

 

Of course the deaths are sad every death is covid or not covid. I don't think one rule fits all for lockdown or tens of millions of young healthy people should be living with restrictions when you can protect better those at high risk by continuing to shield them.

 

I'm an extremely healthy person but as a key worker I had to work even though my wife is shielding. I gave my wife covid 19. So it doesn't really work out this protection lark does it?

 

But how would that be any different under a complete lockdown or one targeted at the most vulnerable? For what it's worth under both scenarios people who live with the most vulnerable should have been shielded too or at least given separate accommodation

 

I would agree with that. If someone healthy lives with someone shielding then they should shield too or move out like loads have. But young couples, uni digs etc should be fine as long as they don't go visiting their grandparents for a hug.

 

I could hold a swingers party and not infect an elderly person if that elderly person took responsibility for their own life and shielded.

 

I do believe that those who had to work even though they lived with shielded people should have had the option of furlough. My only option in the nhs would have been to take un-paid leave for 12 weeks. A complete lockdown has worked extremely well in certain countries. It's all we needed to do. These people are now enjoying the fruits of their labour.

 

So you wouldn't personally infect an elderly person because that elderly person wouldn't be there as they would be in their own home shielding?
The only safe shielded person will be the poor soul who lives on their own.

 

Correct. If they're in their own home taking responsibility for their own lives they're safe.

Why can't you shield with someone else?
I have a relative on the vulnerable list. He's shielded because he hasn't left his home and his wife has shielded with him. they took responsibility for him rather than expecting everyone else to