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  1. Red

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    in this country there can be murder convictions without a body being found. (Wasn't always the case.)
    Recently passed 'Helen's (McCourt) Law' which says that a convicted murderer can not be released if he doesn't disclose the whereabouts of the body.
     
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    Must be a long time ago that it changed as im sure Brady/Hindley got done for a lad whose remains they never found???
     
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    I know it can be secured but it seems like we're talking about no actual evidence but circumstantial at the moment.
     
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    They had already been convicted of other killings before Keith Bennett s, and I think Hindley at least confessed to his murder.
     
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    They didn't cooperate with the Portuguese police, they tried to control the entire investigation using the media to leak information.

    Again I'll say it, the entire crime scene was a complete mess and too clean at the same time.
    The media blamed the police which is beyond the pale.

    It's been mentioned before but it's an extremely important point, why when Kate saw she was missing and did she leave the other 2 children. Why not wake them up? Kate's changed her story about what she was feeling. She thought she'd left the apartment and also said she'd been abducted. Which is it? A criminal could still be present, why not scream for help?
    The psychology of the crime scene and the actions of those involved doesn't sit right.
    Many professional profilers have said the same.
    If you dare question the McCann narrative they use the media and wealth to silence folk why?

    Again why didn't the other children wake up during the panic? Witness statements suggest they were asleep and it took a lot to bring them round.

    So many legitimate questions, these questions are as a result of folk reading and listening to the witness statements logged.

    Amaral 12 months ago said the German would be used as a patsy. Now all of a sudden he's been linked to 2 further abductions. All too much of a coincidence for me I'm afraid. There was another paedophile living close by, a British peer.
     
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    Yes they did
     
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    So 13 years later she recollects him; not at the time and enough to provide an adequate photofit and description of height, build etc or put her concerns into a witness statement.
    Confirmation bias is very dangerous, but trust the Mail to print it to set the narrative.
    He's clearly an awful human being, but due process must be followed.
     
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    yes, there was a case back in 1954 when murder conviction secured but body not found. (thanks wiki!)
    It is only very recently that a convicted murderer has to disclose where body was disposed before he/she can be released.
    This is Helen's Law - Helen Mc Courts murderer was released weeks before the law was passed having been in prison since 1988.

    At one time someone convicted of any crime had to admit their guilt before they could get parole/release - don't think that's the case now.
     
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    Due process will be followed and hopefully we’ll get to the bottom of this
     
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    differentiating between actual/circumstantial evidence is complex.
    You walk into a room - stabbed body on the floor - one other person holding a bloodstained knife. You didn't see who did the stabbing - therefore any evidence will be circumstantial.
    If you saw the stabbing your evidence would be 'actual evidence'
     
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    I just meant the German police know he was in the general vicinity where 2 children went missing. So that is circumstantial for the time being.
     
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    And yet the twins slept like logs through all that.

    Ah, the sea air. Does wonders.
     
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    They didn't. They were asked not to mention her eye condition and ignored it. They were asked to do a reconstruction and they didnt. Kate was asked 49 questions of which she only answered 1. Not my definition of co operation.
     
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    Initially they cooperated with the investigation, it was only when it became clear that the local police were no longer looking for Maddie and instead were trying to divert the inquiry to discredit the McCanns that they stopped interacting with them, having pictures of Maddie released was obviously seen as bad for business for the algarve, they would have been happy for things to quietly disappear and go back to normal as often happens in cases similar to this. If it turns out local police messed up with the investigation it will not look good on them
     
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    The narrative all along in the British press was that the Portugese police were bungling plods.
     
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    Maybe they were, the West Yorkshire constabulary were certainly bungling plods in the ripper investigation and the South Yorkshire police have the worst reputation in the country, police are certainly fallable
     
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    Indeed they are. Solving crimes isn't always easy and I think Wear side jack put them off the right track.
     
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