Protesters

You are correct they will shift the blame but a few on here have been saying this for weeks before the protests, it was always going to happen & the Tories have willingly let us through lack of leadership & clarity. The B@STARDS..

 

Are you saying that 1 in 10 of all black people who die are killed by police brutality? Does this include natural causes? For the sake of argument let's say 500,000 black people died last year, that would mean 50,000 were killed by the police. Also are we including those killed who were armed and carrying out violent crime?

What is a fact is that more black men are killed by other black men - black on black violence. Again, to counter any straw-man arguments, this in no way excuses any incidents like we saw with George Floyd. Nothing excuses the way he was treated.

I'm not excusing incidents like what we saw with George Floyd or any other killing where the force used by the police is completely disproportionate. What I saw was disgusting, disproportionate and justice must be done.

There is no doubt that there are some racist thugs in the US police and they need to be surgically removed because they are a cancer who tarnish the job done by the majority of officers who just want to do their job and keep the public safe.

I wouldn't want to be a police officer in this country but crikey the job in the USA, facing an armed public, must be horrendous.

 

If Terrys left the room . I understood it to mean out of 10 brutally attacked. 1 dies. May be wrong mindst.

 

Think you've got that statistic a little bit wrong. This would mean 380,000 black Americans die at the hands of the US police every year.
The fundamental point though is that you are at least 2 and a half times more likely to be killed by police if you are black in America. This is the country where they still have monuments celebrating confederate 'hero's'.
My extended blood family is mixed white/Jamaican. Some of the scenes I've witnessed over the world over the last few days have been extremely powerful and humble one's. Some of the others have been disgusting. A minority of people typically (white, black whatever) have sadly let the protest down.
I am also disappointed that there has been little or no desire to socially distance. Personal experience has shown me how contagious this virus is and indeed how deadly it can be. Circumstance however has intervened.
I very much doubt the government are chuffed to bits about this though and hoping to play the blame game. They or any other government and pretty much everyone else knows that mass gatherings are going to spread the virus further.

 

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Deaths From Police Harm Disproportionately Affect People of Color
There is not comprehensive government data on the topic, but an independently compiled database found that more than 1,000 people died as a result of police harm in 2019.
By Deidre McPhillips, Data Editor June 3, 2020

Mapping Police Violence. About a third of them were black.

About 17% of the black people who died as a result of police harm were unarmed, a larger share than any other racial group and about 1.3 times more than the average of 13%.

With a lack of available government data, Mapping Police Violence is one of a few efforts to track information on police violence and use of force. The researchers behind the project compile details on deaths known to be caused by police – due to being shot, beaten, restrained, intentionally hit by a police vehicle, pepper sprayed, tasered or otherwise by officers on- or off-duty – from crowdsourced databases, police reports, social media and more.

This week's protests over the death of George Floyd, an African American man who died after a white police officer knelt on his neck until he was unresponsive, follow multiple recent incidents of police violence against African Americans.


Ps please see my previous post re Terry’s comment.
Pps
Whites fall way below the average.

 

Apologies, it’s deaths from Homicide. So 10% of all homicides involving Black people are at the hands of the police.

I should have been clearer

 

My last point on racism and protest is that each individual needs to do their own small bit to eradicate racism and it can be done. If you know or come across racism deal with it there and then don't ignore it and walk by, shame them in public, report them, sack them if you can, stand up to them not physically , film them anything don't just let it go. If all the people in the protests did this then things would change not mass gathering wasting police time and government money.

 

Do the figures drill down further? My other point was that there are some deaths resulting from the police reacting to violent crime and unfortunately in a society like America where guns are a right there are going to be more deaths involving the police.

My point is that a lot of people killed by the police in America are killed because they are carrying out violent crime and not because of the colour of their skin.

Analysing statistics is fine but there has to be consideration for the circumstances.

Not all black deaths are indefensible killings like what happened to George Floyd.

 

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Can you define racism. We may have different views. On who is a racist and someone who makes an inappropriate remark. Not with the intention some want to make out.

If I did that what your asking. I may be putting my foot in something that is as far away from the truth of a racist as is possible. Lots have different outlooks on what is appropriate and not. Even BAME.

If a young un says he/she’s going to the p- - i shop are we to castigate or educate.

Think I can look back to the Diaby thread. Was it racist or Stereotyping. I don’t think anyone from the stereotype side were automatically a racist. (though some deemed it so. )
Not wishing to raise the debate again. It’s been done and gone.

 

Wow, that sounds a lot.
I’m not going to try to detract from the BLM movement as it is important, but I have seen over the last few days videos of Police being over aggressive with white people, these have been mainly posted as responses to people trying to say it’s not just a black thing.
The latest one is an elderly white man trying to talk to Police in Buffolo and is pushed over unprovoked by the Police, he hits his head and starts to bleed out and the Police walk past him and leave him there.

This got me thinkIng that perhaps people have missed the real issue here (in this instance) in that clearly the Police in America have a tendency to be over aggressive generally and this needs addressing.

I’ll end by repeating I’m not trying to dismiss the racial aspect.

 

For the child both let them know its wrong and why.
For an adult an inappropriate remark can be pointed out and abuse racist comment to be dealt with / reported. Example Im a manager and I would remove someone from my work place for a nasty racist remark but would warn them once for an inappropriate remark telling them its not acceptable and remove them if repeated.

 

Agree to an extent but different folk deal with issues either with common sense or by rule and conquer.
I too have to deal with issues. As a rep, thankfully not had owt of a racist nature to deal with.
One incident that struck me was .
2 long term workmates/friends trust each other implicitly. 1 black 1 white. white said “ Don’t give me that black look in jest.’ A new team leader was in earshot thought it was offensive. Sorry . But I totally disagree
I told him. They’ve worked for years together and black guy calls him all types of names in jest. Why would anyone want to make em feel guilty.
Neither in my eyes Racist.

 

I put in an earlier post that we need to take colour references out of everything as their is no need for it in refering to people and its the first step in moving forward in closing down racism, then giving someone a black look ismt a racial comment.

If you are refering to a white person and dont know his name youd say the man in the blue coat, if the man is black you can still refer to him as the man in the blue coat its simple.

 

Nice photo doing the rounds on Facebook today. Some football "lads" guarding a "war monument" in Durham.

Apart from the fact that it's dry as a bone and that Barclays is open in the background, I see nothing else that would make me doubt that it's from today.