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How does heck does that work when 1s black and 1s white. I know both their names but chose not to use em. man in blue coat said to man in blue coat “don’t give me that black look” without referring to colour. To distinguish. Who said what.
Should I have used stereotypical names. Or “the man in the white coat said to the man in the black coat.”
Or are you inferring the term black look shouldn’t be used at all.
I put the incident out as was seen and heard. How the hell do I put that out without stating their ethnicity.
Ps Please edit my post as you see fit. And reissue as you would have posted it.
Genuinely interested.

 

Just try it going forward dont refer to the skin colour or fat / thin, tall / short, ginger / blonde just try refering to the lady in the red dress. If that became the norm then skin colour wouldnt be the distinguishing feature any more thus first step on reducing racism.

 

My overall point is taking peoples skin colour out of peoples thought process then the comment isnt an issue then a black look is just a turn of phrase and not a comment based as a feable joke at someones expense refering to their skin colour.

 

I saw a similar thing where there was some experiment where they got people to play Guess Who and half of the people on the board were black. The point of it was to see who would ask a question relating to skin colour as it would be a quick way of eliminating half of the options, like how the first question is normally is a man/woman to reduce 50% of the board. They found that the majority of people didn't ask the question.

This pisses me off. There's a TA I used to work with who I'm good friends with and would do anything for anybody but she cannot stop herself from pointing out people's skin colour/ethnicity when telling a story if they are not white. She starts everything with 'I was at Asda and a young Asian couple...' or 'I was at the park and this little black girl...' and the story is about how the couple let them in front of her because she was only buying milk, or the girl chased a squirrel or something. Absolutely nothing whatsoever where their ethnicity or skin colour was relevant. I took to pointing it out to her every time or if she didn't specify their skin colour (so I knew they were white), I'd ask her what it was so she'd look completely baffled whilst saying 'they were white, why?' She'd see it as a completely random (and rude) thing to ask about although if they weren't white she'd have thought it important enough to say it without prompting.

 

I understand what Farnham means. At school, I was trying to explain who a boy was to a supply teacher (and obviously they all wear the same uniform). After trying that he had short hair, about yay high (doesn't help when they are sat down all day), sometimes shouts out, good at maths etc. and they were still confused I just had to say, he's black. She then instantly knew who I meant as he was the only black boy in the class. I probably should have just started with it to be honest, it made it far more awkward that I had been skirting around it.

 

What would you have done explaining who a white boy in the class was?

 

Maybe they’re all just out testing their eyesight

 

I'd have had to have given up and she'd have never known who I meant.

 

Should be the same, take colour out of it. Worth trying.

 

You'd rather the child not have had his needs met rather than have someone make a factual statement that was completely relevant to the context? Are you one of these people who 'doesn't see colour?' It was beneficial for the supply teacher to know who this person was and so I would not leave the child unidentified unless there was no other option. Similarly, I will not describe a child as overweight unless all other descriptors have been used but if they still don't know who I mean then I will say it if it is important to ensure their needs are fulfilled. To be honest, I don't know why I didn't start with saying he was black, it was clearly the easiest and most appropriate way to make him known and it's not anything he would/should be ashamed of.

 

I wish I was more articulate to explain what I mean. In all instances there is other ways of differentiating between people without using the colour of someone's skin. If this became the normal then racial comments and discrimination would decrease we don't have to refer to skin colour but do because it's easier.

 

It's disrespectful to not refer to it when it is important, like it's a terrible thing we have to pretend doesn't exist. Lots of children are proud of their skin colour and don't want to pretend everyone is the same. I've never seen anyone as excited as the BAME kids in my class when we were doing self portraits and I got out the new packs of colouring pencils I had bought especially. A couple of the kids asked if they could stay in at playtime to use them and draw a picture of their family and other classes used to come and borrow them when word got around. It was the first time they'd ever been able to draw a picture that "looked like them" (well, it didn't because they were rubbish at drawing but you know what they meant). Before they knew these existed, some of the BAME kids used to refer to the peach coloured pencil as 'skin coloured' because that's what other teachers and kids had always referred to it as.

 

I deliver shipping containers throughout the north of england, many clients are around leeds,bradford ,halifax etc.Many of these clients are Asains who own small to medium warehouses, Since the pandemic started and lockdown took place these warehouses have carried on regardless with very little consideration to social distancing or corvid prevention,
We can arrive with a container at a warehouse and there will be one or two people there expecting us yet within ten or fifteen mins,after a few phone calls, another dozen will appear to handball the stock from the containers.
I have to give credit where its due, these lads get stuck in, but,as i've said earlier there is zero consideration to the pandemic,they even sup out of the same water bottles

Throughout the lockdown I have often wondered if these situations are a contributing factor to BAEM's being affected disproportionately???

These examples are in stark contrast to the big companies who we service, these places have hand sanitisers everywhere you look, employees have face masks on and drivers like myself are issued with a corvid prevention risk assesment when we arrive on site.

I can only speak about the warehouses i go to but drivers and trampers who deliver all over the country say they experience the same thing,

Now i'm not suggesting these places are the cause of baem being affected disproportionately but they must go some way to being part of the problem

 

A white footballer who makes a bad pass gets called a useless xxxx a black footballer that makes a bad pass gets called a useless black xxxxx. The black footballer can still be called a useless xxxxx just cut the black bit as its not relevant, as using the black bit is offensive we just need to cut colour out of describing people, this in turn will reduce the number of racist comments

 

Well obviously skin colour shouldn't be used then as it's not relevant to the fact that a bad pass was made. I've already discussed that above in a reply to Farnham_Red. However, if you need to describe someone to be identified and it's a distinguishing feature from everyone else who was present then it is relevant. If I was describing someone to the police I would describe their skin colour whether white, black or anything else. If you flat out refused to say the word 'black' to decribe someone to the police, who is black, then you've just made the police's job 10 times harder. How are they supposed to look for someone if you don't tell them what they look like?

 

Yeah I'm not arguing that the figures don't at least partially support a particular pattern of behaviour; I'm just saying that using only statistics to make a case can be very misleading. Statistics often only tell part of the story.

 

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