Anthony Joshua

Tough one tbh .
I’ve called police officers Nazis etc on picket lines and demonstrations and at times at football matches .
Some of the behaviour on both sides have been disgusting in my honest opinion and I’ve seen peaceful gatherings brought into disrepute from both sides .
Problem imo has been in these situations I’ve seen innocent people arrested and made to pay for others crimes whilst the powers that be stood by and ignored and sometimes condoned actions of certain officers .
I won’t go into things that went off in the strike but hand on heart I can say that very peaceful pickets have been turned into near riots needlessly .

 

Not sure about that tbh if you can give an example that may help but don’t use Brexit as I know a lot of left leaning people voted for that .

 

My old man was at Orgreave, and my friends dad was policing at Hillsborough. It was the stories of bad and evil policing that made me join to change it from within. Most modern coppers are sound, and I know plenty of ex local bobbies who helped miners during the strike.
Unfortunately the funny handshake mob is still aroundm

 

Going off on a bit of a tangent I read a great idea for a Bond film a while back - the baddie would be played by Sean Connery and it would turn out that "James Bond" is just a code name that MI6 gives to agents and bumps them off when they retire. So Sean Connery would be playing the original "James Bond" who escaped his retirement and is looking to take revenge.

 

That’s good on you mate snd respect for that .
I had relations in the for e at the time and surprisingly they never commented on the Miners Strike .
But I remember their football stories in the seventies and eighties where they bragged about the violence they meted out .
Story goes if the went into crowd nearest one got it whatever . Also told of causing trouble to justify overtime .
Not forgetting violence caused by fans at this time but the everyone’s same scenario was a big factor . Can remember watching Chelsea at Hillsborough when. Wendy fan who must have been on his eighties was struck by a policeman for just being in the wrong place .

 

The riot training wasn't very good in 80s and 90s. The training in 2000s was very good, I've seen officers get hammered by wood, fire, glass, bricks and tennis balls for 8 hours and keep their cool but lose it when a riot actor gobbed at them 10 mins before end of course. An instant fail, I've seen the most reasonable and laid back types lose it. It's not for everyone and is a tough job.
That's no excuse mate blatant brutality, football games I've never seen the point of heavy handed tactics for all. Chelsea, Cardiff, Millwall, etc and local hooligan gangs can be easily identified and policed. Split em from proper fans / the public and if they want to get nicked for public order offences let em crack on. I would be nice if they'd nick em before kick off, cold and dark evenings aren't great for identifying offenders.

 

Every single man and woman involved in the diabolical scenes near the cenotaph should be thoroughly ashamed to call themselves British imho.

Over 40,000 dead from this horrible pandemic and still these moronic individuals put far more lives at risk with their idiotic behaviour for a cause not of their business in true reality in Britain imho after being told for the last 3 months not to socially gather!

Protest on the ******* internet in your own homes you absolute fook-sticks!

Last time I looked it wasn’t ‘lockdown - unless you want a mass public protest then it’s fine!’

Fooking oxygen thieves to a man and woman!

 

Yep I agree it seems a lot better nowadays but there’s still elements mainly from leadership the kettleing tactics from a couple of years since springs to mind . And also injustices that would only come to light with phone evidence . And that goes for both sides I’m a big advocate of filming events from both sides , just have to be wary of where it eventually ends up ( vigilantes etc ).
Also a big fan of judicial banning orders for consistent offenders and club bans Etc.

 

Maybe they went for fish n chips?
http://barnsleyfc.org.uk/threads/total-lockdown-in-the-uk-by-the-weekend.289679/page-2#post-2443402

 

Lol.That as well.

 

That’s the issue isn’t it Orgreave was a different time. People on the whole are more educated, more aware of the world. The world is a better and improving place. I hear all police are scum because of Orgreave many times on here, and whilst I acknowledge many of them were back then, that doesn’t mean today’s police are the same.

People 40 years ago had very different attitudes to today. People used to say things that they didn’t fully understand the offence or ramifications. They weren’t challenged so much and popular culture actually encouraged it. Nowadays, people are more worldly wise, and generally better for it.

 

All lives do matter mate you’re correct. I think near enough every black man or woman would tell you the same, but the black lives matter movement if something everyone should back, regardless of colour or race. The statistics are alarming, not just in America but in the U.K. too.

 

Agree with you and one thing about #alllivesmatter is that it’s not even a movement , it’s not even a lobby against the lives it keeps on about against any govt or ciulture . No the only reason all lives matter exists is to rage against #Blacklivesmatter. The people continually spouting this all lives matter are not even protesters other than against a civil rights movement that’s it’s only goal , that’s it’s only motive sand that’s why it’s RACIST

 

Heard it all now, so because I think all lives matter not just black lives matter I’m racist??
Jesus!!! This is getting daft!!!

 

You have only used it in defiance of the civil rights movement . have you signed up to all lives matter ? do you know what planned protests it intends doing . Even if it did exist it would normally link up with a fellow civil rights movement . It has done none of the above the only thing it had been used for is to rage against and divide .

 

No I haven’t, I know there’s no all lives matter movement, does that really matter? I am merely pointing out that black lives matter only when involving being killed by a white cop (I did say this was wrong but the way). Like the retired cop mentions in the clip kindly supplied by exiled, it’s no good protesting then the next minute killing one another for a TV. All it has led to is violence/looting/graffiti. All during a pandemic that is supposed to be worse for BAME groups, you couldn’t make it up!!!
All these protests by the way are in defence of a known criminal with a rap sheet as long as my arm. I am NOT saying he deserved to die in the way he did by the way, that was murder and the cops involved have been sacked and charged, and rightly so, but I don’t see any sympathy towards his past victims. This guy wasn’t the Good Samaritan all these protesters are making out. Sorry if you think that sounds racist, believe me, I am NOT racist. I suppose it’s a sign of the times that you can’t say anything that disagrees with the majority because of the racist card. That’s why a lot of these gang rapes have gone under the radar and police/authorities didn’t act has they should have for fear of being called racist. And yes, I would be saying this if it involved white gang rapes, but then again, I think it would be front page news. I have 2 daughters and it makes me angry to think gangs of mostly Asian men did this.

 

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/what-do-we-know-about-the-ethnicity-of-sexual-abuse-gangs

 

But would you be talking about white gang rape? Or just gang rape? Unfortunately the young girls in question complaints were dismissed and I don't think it would necessarily have been different if it was prominent white men. Look at the list of white peadophiles. The way women/ young girls are treated is a discussion for another day though.