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  1. pompey_red

    pompey_red Well-Known Member

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    they've taken direction to let the people do what they want. then the government can blame the people.
     
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    i agree with your general point mate but the fact of the matter is , and social media is alight with this is the general public are rightly angry about the lack of social distancing... but they only choose to display this via getting angry at BLM protesters.

    The beaches and hills are packed, shops are a free for all, schools are open, tubes are packed, .... but ..... the BLM protesters are going to cause a second spike.

    i agree its wrong but the medium people have chosen to display there anger is very selective, i wonder why?

    and that is not excusing anything that the small minority of protesters have done that is illegal.
     
  3. Loko the Tyke

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    There's also a difference in sticking to the rules of social distancing, no large gatherings, groups of no more than six, or no more than your household, etc.

    You could argue the above was observed by more on the beach than in the protests. And yes, I appreciate there's a difference in motives and one is more worthwhile than the other, but the possible consequences could be catastrophic with both.
     
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    I think it is very hard to affect any change without ruffling feathers. As I said, I made the decision not to attend , my daughter made the opposite one. I'm not including everyone in this but a lot of people up in arms with the protests were never fully on board with the sentiment.
     
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    Absolutely protesters should be sticking to social distancing.

    But I'd rather empathise with them, than the groups of 15 or so kids that sit in my local park every evening drinking, swearing and littering.
     
  6. portsmouth tyke

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    I'm suggesting they uphold the law, any future rioters will be rubbing their hands thinking I can do what I want because they wont intervene, this in turn could/will cause more casualties
     
  7. Loko the Tyke

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    I know what you're saying but there is a difference. Are the shops a free for all? Not convinced that's the case considering getting food is a necessity we can't do without. Queues, one way systems, opening hours for NHS/elderley, limited numbers in stores. Not the case everywhere, but in my experience it's been fine.

    The tubes/buses have been packed at rush hour, but they've also been really quiet at times as well with lots of people and companies continuing to enforce work from home - a lot of those travelling are doing so out of a necessity to earn a wage and survive.

    How many schools are open? Probably a minority in total based on my teacher friends who haven't gone back and the general consensus in the Yorkshire districts.

    Whenever the hills/beaches have been completely rammed I've seen nothing but disgust. A minority have been shouting 'crack on' with the overcrowding anywhere, in the sphere of what I see.

    All I'm doing is saying I can see why people would be angered or upset by what they're seeing. All the above can be done within the rules. The protesting hasn't been done within the rules, and has led to acts of violence and criminal damage, even if that has been a minority (which it always is, because we're not living in a Football Factory esque era thankfully).
     
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    But a lot of people are criticising both scenarios and groups of people. What's wrong with them not wanting to empathise with either and condemn both?
     
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    Im wasting my breath but you are either on purpose or deliberately taking too simplistic a view.but I take it to mean that you consider any price is worth paying to protect the statue of a slaver and the police should not even consider the consequences of any actions they take
     
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    You keep referring to the one statue like that was an isolated incident. There were more incidents than that over the last few days.

    It's all hindsight anyway to be honest isn't it? You're suggesting the police remained calm so they can film and prosecute afterwards and not stir up any violence, but we don't know that yet.
     
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    Country has gone mad. Police running away from crowds lobbing bricks and bottles at them in our capital city. Lad stood on the cenotaph, setting fire to the union jack. The whole protest has been hijacked and has turned into something much more sinister.

    And that coward who launched his bike into the side of the horse, and those who cheered, can all rot in hell for all I care. Oxygen thieves.

    Obviously, I'm racist.
     
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    Some have, granted. You're an example of that of course.

    But others haven't said a word until recently. Then all of a sudden they pop up with #alllivesmatter or whatever Tommeh tells them to put.

    BUT WHAT ABOUT LEE RIGBY.
     
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    Events such as the statue incident should always be seen in context, socially and historically. It was wrong for the protesters to attack and nobble the statue. It just was. There are other means of getting the statue removed if that's what the good people of the area want. However, in context, and thinking of other examples of groups who have felt persecuted/disenfranchised in the past, say the suffragettes, they too eventually became extremely frustrated and broke the law. So, on the one hand it was wrong, yes, but on the other its understandable given the tensions and, therefore, given as much, the police acted with sensitivity and commonsense in not wading in with batons and spray.
     
  14. Loko the Tyke

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    Agree!

    <insert face palm image>
     
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    I've been that man with a 6ft armadillo shield on a base line, I've been that man with a fire extinguisher putting put blokes out who are on fire, Ive been that man who as ball bearings ping off my visor, I've been that man who's part of a 3 man snatch squad, I've been that man with the baton gun, Ive been that man who as blast bombs launched at him, the policy and principles remain the same, it's all to do with posture and escalation, the police always will pose in a non aggressive posture when there is limited threat, visors up, shields down, the army/ police never control the escalation the rioters/ protestors do, if they up it then so do the security forces, but never will the security force up it beforehand, they/ we are never taught in public order training to ignore events, or turn a blind eye, now whatever reason the police were told to do goes against everything they are taught and like I say the oath they took, I'm sure the bronze/ gold commander would have had his or her reasons ( I think it's a her) how they acted was a like a bullied school kid who keeps getting bullied, hit that bully hard in the right place and there is a good chance you wont get bullied again.
     
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    Im referring to the statue because that for some reason has become the cause that most people have chosen to highlight and I happen to think that the police in Bristol handled the situation as well as they could have - no injuries no violence - criminal damage to one statue sounds like as good a result as they could have hoped to achieve

    I havent commented on other incidents in the same way because there hasn't been the same criticism
    I have been prepared to criticise the police in the past when I think they have got things wrong and inflamed rather than controlled situations so if I think they got it basically right I don't see a problem in saying so

    For what its worth I do not agree with with large demonstrations at the moment given the fact its impossible to maintain safe distancing. I do not condone at all defacing statues or burning flags.
    I think those doing it have scored an own goal because ig gives politicians a good tool to vent their outrage and deflect from the true message of the demonstrations.
    That said I dont know how else you can protest at the moment
     
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    I think ts totally wrong, its illegal vandalism. I am in no way an expert on the person the statue was of, but if he was such an awful man, who's views were so terrible, why has no one questioned this statue in public before? It seems to me that people have used recent events as somewhat of an excuse to cause trouble and partake in violence and vandalism.

    I fully support the BLM movement and those who are converging in peaceful protests to raise awareness of a longstanding and worldwide issue. But I feel the actions of a small minority of idiots is threatening to totally undermine the good work done by the peaceful majority. The idiots involved in any violence, looting or vandalism should be arrested and sanctioned accordingly.
     
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    I've no idea either, but the young kids of today are more creative than my generation, the generation above, or the generation above.

    I appreciate and acknowledge it's easy to sit back and say 'don't protest', but with all the crowdfunding, go fund me pages, and technological advances around today, I feel like some pretty impactful protests could have been made in a different way.

    I also think there is some validity to sections of this being caused by lockdown. And I do think there is a genuine 'rent a crowd' mentality with a small minority of people. It's all just a bit of a mess to be honest and very depressing to see.
     
  19. Gimson&theBarnsleys

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    It has been a symbol of division before, as have many things to do with Colson in Bristol.
     
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    I think the statue is fair enough, and I can't summon up any outrage or strong feeling about someone burning a flag. Any criminality for the sake of it however does undermine the protests and should be condemned.
     
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