Liverpool fans celebrating outside Anfield

I've seen a Tweet from Stan Collymore showing the disgraceful scenes left behind; litter and bottles everywhere.

I've also heard about the incident at the liverbird building and the bottles being thrown at the police.

Absolutely disgusting and unacceptable behaviour.

 

I completely agree. A sizeable minority are just reverting to type and behaving in a completely unacceptable way. There are absolutely no excuses for some of the scenes we have seen recently. These cretins would have behaved exactly the same way with or without Cummings breaking the lockdown.

 

No because I’m not a c0ckwomble but the masses certainly see it that way, this government have made a shambles of everything they have done in terms of Covid, that little episode undermined any rules and it clearly became a free for all ! So go preach to your Maggie shrine

 

Just think what they would have been like if at the end of he season they weren't champions.

 

I remember reading an interesting article in New Scientist a few years ago called Rebels with a cause (https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg16522224-200-rebels-with-a-cause). Essentially, what it was saying was that the prefrontal cortex (the part of the brain that responds to situations with good judgment and an awareness of long-term consequences) is very much a work in progress in teenagers and young adults. That rational part of a teen’s brain isn’t fully developed and won’t be until age 25 or so and the amygdala (emotions, instinct) plays a much bigger part in teens and young adults' thinking than it does in people over that age. This is of course very useful when society wants to persuade adolescents that they should go off and fight in a war, for example, but not so helpful when trying to get them to follow social distancing rules. If I remember correctly, the full version of that article suggested that thanks to the brain remodeling that goes on in the teen years your 8-year-old is probably safer crossing the street than your teenager.

This isn't to suggest we should give teenagers and young adults a free pass when it comes to observing such critical public health advice, or displaying common decency. But we should probably try to be a bit more understanding when their thought processes on such matters seem so different from our own. Apologies if that comes across as condescending to young people but it's science, innit? One day you'll understand. (OK, that last bit of condescension was deliberate but meant in jest).

 

Liverpool FC and their fans should be proud. They were there at the start of the first wave of the virus when they hosted Athletico Madrid
and they might well be instrumental in the start of the second wave. Well done you!!!!

 

Boris told them it was okay to travel to English beaches for exercise on 10th of May, Cummings admitted travelling North 2 week later. Trouble is with Johnson is he always adds a bit to the script he has been given to relay, believing that he is running the country.

 

Whilst recognising that their first title in 30 years was a joyous occasion, surely you can't do
anything but condemn the actions of a minority of Liverpool fans both outside Anfield and at the
Pier Head over the preceding 48 hours.?


Fans' behaviour 'unacceptable' says Liverpool FC https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-53203765

 

These are two separate issues.
1 issue is people ignoring social distancing which Cummings and Johnson are definitely to blame for. They have blood on their hands.
The other issue is people littering which is a completely separate issue and is indefensible

 

You say that but the evidence is that while some were ignoring lockdown and breaking social distancing rules the vast majority were doing their best to follow those rules. Then the man who made the rules broke them and told us all they weren't rules, they were guidelines, open to interpretation and we should make our own decisions. This message was then seconded by the prime minister of the country and overnight there was a huge change in attitude from the public. Lockdown and social distancing had ended.
I mean sure it could be the biggest coincidence since the BBC announced that 7WTC had collapsed half an hour before it did (and then 'lost' the tapes of their reporter saying it) but I don't buy that. I think the two things are linked

 

I suppose you've less to lose when you're younger too so haven't that sort of restraint on your behaviour.

 

Oh dear another intellectually challenged incapable of sensible debate without making incorrect assumptions and childish comments - How does criticising cretins for leaving litter (and worse) come down to Government or evcen make me a fan of Thatcher? Pointless debating with people like you.

 

i remember wellington street looking like a war zone when we got promoted to the premier league,litter and bottles everywhere,

 

Surely not!! Are they not the ones telling us oldies we have taken their future, ruined the planet, are generally racist. misogynist etc. and they are morally and intellectually superior to previous generations. We have plenty on this BB who believe that!! Strange how we used to think that when we were that age. (Incidentally my own opinion is idealism and an unrealistic B&W view of the World continues up to, and into, the 40s for many). Reality (or some say cynicism) only really kicks in later in life.

 

It's undoubtedly part of the picture but I think there is also a genuine and laudable generational trend towards a fairer society and it's incumbent upon all of us to recognise, respect and support that. It's easy but lazy to think that our own generation has got it right. I'm put in mind of what Martin Amis wrote when addressing the racist writings of his brother's godfather, the poet Philip Larkin:

"...everybody is "racist," or has racial prejudices. This is because human beings tend to like the similar, the familiar, the familial. I am a racist; I am not as racist as my parents; my children will not be as racist as I am. (Larkin was less racist than his parents; his children would have been less racist than he.)"

 

What’s the relevance of the lockdown to ‘trying to eradicate the virus’?

 

Agree as I said as much in an earlier post. their enthusiasm energy and drive is what progresses society generally

 

?? Huh!! Viruses need a host to survive. Once in a host they either kill it in which case they die or the host (via immune system) kills it anyway. Therefore it has a limited time to survive and reproduce by passing to another host (unlike bacteria that do not need a host and so can survive,some for years, until they can find the right conditions to reproduce).

Distancing prevents the virus from passing to a 'new' host and so ultimately the virus 'dies out'. that is the point of the R number. less than 1 means the virus eventually runs out of 'hosts' Of course without a vaccine total elimination i.e. R0 is virtually impossible but the fewer new cases there is less chance of a mutation occurring and the whole cycle starting again.

 

So are you saying it would be ok for us to start an illegal War again because Slimey Campbell and his dodgy dossier thought it was ok at the time.

Absolutely ridiculous thinking to believe that 1 single person was on those beaches because of Johnson or Cummings.

They were on the beaches simply because they are thoughtless, irresponsible, scummy, self centred **** wits. No other reason.

 

Do you consider Dominic Cummings to be a thoughtless, irresponsible, scummy, self centred **** wit?