Daniel ‘The Blue eyed boy’ Stendel is to..........

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  1. Sup

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    The problem here is its very hard to have a discussion wih someone when one person has insider knowledge and the other doesn't.

    I'd also say it makes one person extremely biased towards the nice people giving him insider knowledge
     
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    Potentially. But also, you how do you have a discussion with that person full stop?

    I'm up for a discussion. I just hate extreme views and over the top negativity when you're basically talking to other Barnsley fans who all have the same aim and desire.
     
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    Ultimately, in my opinion, our recruitmentand replacement philosophy is the biggest factor. Has been for a while now.

    On the basis that our budgeting for players/wages changed at the time we appointed Keith Hill back in 2011, then we've had 6 seasons at Championship level and in 5 of those we've either been relegated (on 3 occasions assuming the inevitable this season) or scraped survival, only in 2016/17 did we look competitive, at least until we lost Winnall and Hourihane, the end product of then losing Scowen, Roberts, Watkins showed the following season with relegation. Arguably, we were close to a 4th relegation in Hill's first season when it was only Portsmouth's points deduction that saved us.

    I'm assuming that our overall budget was maintained when Wilson and Johnson were in charge, but we recruited better players (there was still some dross to be fair) and those better players formed the core of our only competitive Championship squad in the last 9 years. We came up with momentum under Heckingbottom and the players were capable, I honestly thought we had a competitive Championship squad when promoted last year, and so did Mr Conway, who publicly stated the same on Radio Sheffield in Feb 2019.

    I have no faith in our approach to stabilising in the Championship, its not just under our current regime, 9 years of evidence tells me that. We need better footballers, experienced our otherwise, than what we have. We need to have more faith in our academy, pay for fewer but better players and make the gap up with our own youngsters rather than paying fees for unknown quantities with the added challenge of them settling or otherwise.

    I'd class myself as a happy clapper normally, but I've no expectation that this squad is anywhere near good enough to come back up next season. Arguably there is more pressure on the board and club next season. Failure to compete at League One will be a damming indictment of the whole approach to running Barnsley FC as a football club, I seriously fear us sinking further. 2016/17 surely showed that conservative financial investment in decent players with some degree of track record is the way to go, it shouldn't have to break the club financially. Quality over quantity. This season has been an absolute waste.
     
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  4. Loko the Tyke

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    From what I've been told. No guarantee it's right, but Wilks, Bahre, Radlinger, Sibbick and Thomas we're not spreadsheet signings. Stendel and Winkler went to watch Sibbick play. Maybe the 'spreadsheet' identified them, I don't know.
     
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    He signed ??????? Really
     
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    Radlinger was the one thing that he won I reckon but it was only for a season. The others were all young and no doubt the board thought they'd make a decent profit on them. I believe we got a really good deal on Bahre?

    As I've said before, Stendel can be a good manager and so can Struber. Stendel can make mistakes as can Struber It doesn't have to be either or. I know who's football I'd rather watch on the whole. Let's see how Struber does next season and then maybe it will be more comparable.
     
  7. Loko the Tyke

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    I obviously think he did if I spent the time typing that message?
     
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    I'd say that the person should either disclose the information that they were told at the beginning (and their source) or shouldn't be drip feeding bits in an effort to win arguments whilst maintaining an 'i know something you don't know' feeling to their posts.

    I don't believe that is your intention but it's certainly how it comes across.

    To be honest I'd hate to have someone at the club giving me insider information which they don't respect the wider fanbase enough to share. I'm not special, I don't want to be treated special.
     
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    I don't understand why anyone would even entertain the idea of Struber next year.

    He's had a transfer window, been allowed to sign his mates and it's looking extremely likely he's still taken us down.
    Jose morais had just 2 or 3 months, no opportunity to sign any player and was dismissed by these same owners for failing to keep us up.

    If one failed and it cost him his job then the same must apply to the other.
     
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    Think folk need to calm darn its gerrin
    Good deal on Bahre is that possible, but one things for sure he aint haif ripped the Championship a new one.
     
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    So it's all hearsay then and you don't know.

    No problems. I can make stuff up too - It's a shame were contractually obliged to play Ritzmaier every game. I know for a fact* that if Struber drops him, then Struber will be cursed.

    *I don't. I'm just making it up.
     
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    I'm not drip feeding anything. Everything I've said has been speculated in a variety of different places and platforms. If you're not on those, or don't see them, is that my fault? Should you criticise me for that? I don't think so.

    I'm just commenting on criticism of the current team. I think the criticism should be varied across multiple people involved in what hasn't been great. We still have a chance though, why can't we focus on that?
     
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    I never used fact did I? Surely you'll agree I used the same sort of confidence to make my opinion as many have to make theres in this thread? Why do I get singled out for special attention, but the other claims don't? Especially when what I'm saying isn't 'new news' just stories that have been confirmed/speculated/made up over the last nine months
     
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    I wasn't intending to criticise you, me saying I didn't believe it was your intention was my attempt to make that clear.i don't think you were deliberately drip feeding but to those who aren't in the know that's what it was.

    Also many things are speculated about, or in other words guessed. You were stating them as facts which is a bit different.

    Of course the blame lies at the hands of various people but I think that facts are being twisted in order to try to throw the previous manager under the bus. It takes blame away from those who should shoulder the greatest responsibility
     
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    I just feel it's unfair to take a manager on, particularly from abroad, and not give them a full season when we're already in a relegation battle. A bit different if you appoint an experienced manager like Warnock and he doesn't deliver.
     
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    You said Stendel signed 5 players.

    Then you said you didn't know, but he might have, but he might not.

    All whilst using those 5 players as a stick to beat Stendel with.

    Those 5 players who he did or did not sign.

    And you aren't singled out. I'm still waiting for he source from the OP.
     
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    Facts
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcel_Ritzmaier
     
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    There;s so many things discussed on here without a source. Why is mine suddenly singled out?

    It's like people think I'm saying we've been faultless, when we haven't, I just don't agree with some of the extreme reactions - especially when it comes to the current management team who I think have done a decent job. If you look back at the season as a whole, our first 18 games are sending us down. Yes, you can blame recruitment, but purely on the pitch is where I'm talking about.
     
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    And that's the problem. You are for some reason absolving our owners of responsibility by shifting the blame to Daniel Stendel and those 18 games whilst refusing to acknowledge that the dismantling of the squad and replacing with inexperienced kids is what led to that poor run of form.

    You are blaming a paramedic for not being able to keep a stabbing victim alive instead of blaming the guy who stabbed him
     
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