I was with three people, I didn't feel the need to justify numbers. But as you were with 14 your opinion clearly wins.
Not really at all. You disagreed with me and added in that the people you watched it with thought the same. Which was a bit Tommy Topper as well (new phrase in me that one). I was just equalling that to show the varying degrees of opinion on it. Even backed up by the split in this thread. We can argue/debate until we’re all blue in the face but there’s no way Simoes was playing up front yesterday
We could argue and debate until we're blue in the face, but I'm wrong? OK. That sentence usually ends with agreeing to disagree.
He keeps dropping deep to try to get on the ball and make things happen. He wouldn’t need to do that if he got anywhere near the service he’s entitled to expect further up the field.
I'm not being serious Loko. That we differ in our opinion on the formation we played yesterday doesn't matter to either of us.
It's actually a very insightful and interesting thread, this one. 2 sets of fans, watching the same game and have differing opinions as to what formation was being used and what positions the players were in. I also watched intently and to be honest I couldn't tell who was supposed to be doing what. Sometimes Brown was definitely up front, other times on the right wing. Woodrow was up and down the pitch and was often by-passed, I still don't know what position he was playing. Simoes also occasionally appeared to be sort of right winger but kept coming inside and into the centre. Chaplin appeared to be more prominent up front when he came on. Sollbauer switched to centre forward and should have scored near the end Mowatt played in all areas of the pitch, Ritzmaier played with a lump of lead in his boot and Jordan Williams played everywhere except where his man was but got no reaction or anger or anything from Struber If I was not sure who was doing what I can hardly fault the players for being confused!
I'm far more flummoxed by the rating Styles has in the picture you posted than the formation. The formation is, as you said, fluid and can therefore be interpreted in different ways. You'd think this fluidity would be an advantage, but unfortunately we're fluid and ineffective. Offensively at any rate, we do look more solid at the back. Only the Stoke game belies that,for which there are reasons, primarily that we didn't have enough tall people on the pitch and should have played Halme. Back to Styles, he's got man of the match. I thought he gave it away cheaply a few times which resulted in Wigan breaking. Fortunately they were even less effective up front than we were. Earlier in the season we were consistently punished for mistakes like those.
Would like to see Halme up front with Woodrow. Halme causes problems and a decent striker could feed off that. Otherwise we just look too lightweight up front and get knocked off the ball far too easily.
He’s always done that though for us. Even in League One. Obviously he did it less when we were attacking teams for 60/70% of the game, but he’s always tried to get involved by pulling back to get the ball. That’s nothing new to his game. Agree on lack of creativity though. One of Mowatt’s poorest games for us which left it up to Styles and Simoes as Ritz was a passenger yet again.
According to WhoScored (where that photo was from), he had three shots, one on target (most). Made five key passes (most, by a mile). 78% pass accuracy (2nd highest). 77 touches (most). Three tackles (most). Two interceptions (joint most). Three fouls (most). Four dribbles (most, by a mile). He also covered the most mileage of all on the pitch. I personally felt Mads was our best player on the day, as he did very well in the air against Kieffer, and got shut of the ball when necessary, played passes at the right time. He's getting better and more consistent and now looks like the player we thought we'd signed. A player that Premier League clubs fancied. Sollbauer has been huge for him. I think we deserved more from yesterday. A couple of great blocks thwarted us, one or two decent saves and some shocking refereeing. As per.
Thought both central defenders were good. Thought we were the better team. Thought we deserved more than Wigan simply for our approach to the game. We tried to win it, they didn't. Thought, like the entire world other than the referee, they should have been down to ten men in the first half. Unfortunately, I never thought we looked like scoring. Or conceding to be fair, but although Must Win over eggs it, a victory would certainly have been handy.
Three games ago we had critical fixtures against relegation threatened opponents. We have taken two points out of nine and are on the verge of relegation. Should we be impressed?
I genuinely can't understand the booking for the assault on Ludewig. That changes the game so much. One of the worst decisions I've ever seen.
Could we be relegated on Thursday night at Leeds? Been trying to work it out. The Stoke win makes it a possibility I think depending on how results go midweek obviously.
Me too. I also don't believe the red card they did receive was a sending off. Occasionally they're given as red, but 99 per cent of the time it's a yellow. The referee knew he'd made an error by not producing a red card in the first half and so showed one at the first opportunity. For me that compounded the error. A good referee would have officiated the rest of the game as best he could and after the match held his hands up and admitted the mistake. Sending off someone else doesn't make it right, it just makes it more wrong.
I haven't looked but I didn't think so. With other teams playing each other maybe we can. We can't purely on the amount of points available, but when clubs have to play each other, those points have to go to one of our rivals so maybe.