Masks in shops

I agree. Masks should be used in addition to social distancing, not instead of. They help though in unexpected situations where social distancing is not possible. They will limit the spread.

 

I agree and if I was in the situation where I was going to be in a busy area I'd wear one but I'd want it to be voluntary where we can all use common sense than compulsory. The retailer imo should face more sanctions for not enforcing social distancing

 

This 100% needs a source as it looks ridiculous. It looks like an apologist's post from Facebook or something similar. I personally know 2 people who have died whilst in hospital, one 44 and the other 53. So that I would strongly suggest would make a mockery of said national figures. I also recall the interview with the itu consultant (was discussed on here) who stated all the patients on his unit were under 60.

 

That simply isn't true. 2,482 under 60's have died in hospital in England. You might be thinking of the under 20's figure which is 20.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statisti...D-19-total-announced-deaths-12-July-2020.xlsx

 

The problem is that your mask protects others not yourself. You have to trust others' common sense, not your own.

Do you?

I don't. That's why they have to be mandatory.

 

Didn't sound likely to me as it was very low. I know the numbers for under 60 are very low but probably not that low.

 

It's 2,482. There's a link to the NHS data in my previous post.

 

NHS website.

This file contains information on the deaths of patients who have died in hospitals in England and have tested positive for COVID-19. Deaths where a positive test result for COVID-19 was not received but COVID-19 is mentioned on their death certificate are reported separately.
17/3 - 12/7
0-59: 14
60-79: 81
80+: 120

I find it really interesting that the government says tens of thousands have tested positive and died but the NHS themselves say that only a couple of hundred have actually tested positive and died whilst inserting a caveat that (many) more have died without being tested. But they make it absolutely clear that these are the figures who have died in hospitals and have actually tested positive rather than it simply being assumed as a cause of death

 

Put the actual document on? What's its date etc. If I know 2 people under 60 who died from covid in hospital then it's highly unlikely that these figures are correct.

 

Weirdly I was looking at an almost identical chart to you from the same NHS website but the numbers are much much lower for some reason which makes no sense and yours looks more like what I would expect to be honest.

 

It's actually 2,482, I've just edited my post. I didn't add up all three of the age groups under 60.

 

no point as I think I'm looking at the one document on the nhs site that has for some reason completely false figures on it. It's an identical looking document to the one pontyender linked to but with figures a lot lower.

That and I can't find it anymore but here's a screenshot showing what I mean so you can see I haven't just completely made it up

 

That's one day's reported deaths by the looks of it. A clue is in the total - 178!

Edit: It's the daily reported death figure announced on 9 May 2020. They produce a spreadsheet every day which shows when the deaths occurred which make up the daily figure.

 

No the total for each day on that chart is at the top so for example 9 may was total 33, the age groups below it add up to 33 if you look. The box on the right is the running total according to the chart 178 cumulative total. It's in the same format as the chart you linked to with the cumulative total on the right except yours is a much higher figure.

I THINK and it's only a guess that the chart I'm looking at is for deaths on the same day each week since it started, presumably deaths in sundays as the last date is today which is a Sunday

 

It looks to me like a single day of reporting with a breakdown of what day those reported deaths actually happened.

 

Is it not the total for the week?

 

And clinical grade not a sock you've tailored.

 

No, definetly not that because the figures cut off the screenshot to the left of that show figures going back months and they add up to what is shown there. In fact I don't think it's on set days either as all dates are listed so it can't be that. I can only assume someone had a nightmare the day they uploaded it

 

Ah I think you're right because on looking some dates are missing for example it says 11/6, 13/6 and as 17/6 but not the 12th, 14th or 15th.

It's a **** chart though because it doesn't explain that anywhere.

 

I look at them every day. The figure announced on 10 May was 178 deaths up to 5pm on 9 May. Of those 178, 33 occurred on 9 May, 88 on 8 May and so on going back several weeks.They present every daily figure like this.