Masks in shops

The chart isn't exactly clear though is it unless you know what they mean.

And am I right in thinking then that the figures announced as people dying on the 9th July actually includes people who died way back at the beginning of may? Essentially the figures can't be used in any way to determine our current position in the fight?

 

but you are not the norm. I see mainly men wearing them as chin straps and then moving them over their mouths. One had a cigarette stickiing out. I sanitise my hands and the trolley before I enter the store, I keep around 2 metres from anyone as much as I can. when I leave the store, I unpack then sanitise my hands again.

If mask wearing had been introduced at the start before the supermarkets had a chance to install the screens etc, I would probably agree. I just think that it is now an over reaction.

 

One had his co.ck hanging out? Disgraceful

 

A screen doesn't protect you from other shoppers. There's increasing evidence that droplets can remain airborne for up to an hour.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-53329946

 

Correct. The cumulative chart I linked to shows deaths by date of death rather than the date announced. The trouble is each day's deaths still keep getting added to for weeks and weeks afterwards.

 

I’m wearing pussers thicks. Napalm won’t hurt.

those that know, know.

 

I don't know: I have no medical qualifications, and the mixed messages don't help.

It makes me feel better. Whether it does anything useful is unclear.

I don't see how it can be any worse than going out without one - whether that's for my benefit or for the benefit of others - though, so I wear one.

 

A face covering used by the general public be it an old sock or a box of 50 from Qualitysave will not protect you against against airborne viruses, they'll reduce some risk from ***** being fired about if you cough thats it. You breath normally, as well as you can in a mask, its like stopping a fly with a chainlink fence. A virus is smaller than the pores in the mask material.

If you wear a mask and you can still smell a fart then they arnt protecting anyone. you might as well wear this...



You'll need something to the equivalent of an N95 Mask to minimise Covid spread, and a face mask that is fitted properly to your face.

Then as it seems with every post, myself included. What are the long term health risks of wearing a mask? The thicker the barrier, the harder it is to breath...

 

Did you read a single part of my post?

A mask is nothing to do with airborne transmission. It's about limiting respiratory droplets from leaving your nose and mouth. Something which even an old T-Shirt is proven to do.

 

Yes providing its on snot or spit ie particals generated from coughing or talking with excessive volume. Going about your daily business, you'll piss out viral spores with every breath if you are carrying as they are not designed for that unless you have an N95 standard of face covering.

They will not prevent airborne viruses either through normal exhalation or inhalation. Some even say so on the box.

Wear one by all means if it makes you feel better but discard this notion that they are the be all and end of being safe. They arent.

And long term use they will potentially **** you up as much as Covid will if you are using a thicker barrier and/or wearing the same mask for hours on end.

 

Oddly masks may do more harm than good.

It's widely accepted that masks don't protect you at all, they simply protect other people if you already have covid-19 because they stop your infected breath from leaving your mask.

The problem with that is its catch 22. You will protect other people but wearing a mask when you have covid-19 runs the risk according to the British medical journal of pushing the virus further down into your lungs.

 

It's almost impossible for supermarket staff to enforce social distancing once customers are inside the store. You could walk round Adsa wielding a chainsaw and you'd still get people blundering into you as they reach for the custard creams.

 

Think we did very casual and more permanent at our place.

 

The key word being 'may'.

They 'may' also do more good than harm.

Until there are proper conclusions one way or the other - and I am aware that science progresses via falsifiability - I'll keep wearing one.

 

was gonna say that Nursing notes shows nearly that care workers under 60 have unfortunately died so couldn’t be correct.

 

Masks on Burqas off

 

Lockdown was suppose to be so the NHS wasn't over run which turned out to be a blatant government lie or we wouldn't still be in it.

So the question would be could we trust them that mandatory masks would be temporary with a time frame they would hope to end it in or would it end up being a permanent part of new normal forever like masks are seen in part of the likes of Asia even before Covid was a thing.

 

I would suggest that most people don't do this. In fact, I know they don't, they regularly adjust it and, if going to more than one shop pull it down or off completely and then put it back on. At this point, whatever has comes out of your mouth is transferred to your hands and from there transferred to anything you touch.

This is not an argument to not wear masks. I don't know what the right measure is. It's just to highlight a very real problem that exists when wearing them.

 

If I had 2 rooms with covid patients in, one wearing a mask and one not and I forced you to spend 30 minutes in one, having a conversation with the patient, which room would you enter? And if I handed you a mask would you take it?

 

I've had it so makes no difference, but if I hadn't, in such a situation, definitely the room where the patient is wearing the mask.

A different situation. Two supermarkets, the first with no masks and with one covid-19 sufferer at some point during an 8 hour period. The other the same situation with masks.

I'd go to the supermarket with no masks. The virus remains active on hard surfaces for much longer than it stays in the air. I believe the chances of transferring the virus to hard surfaces are much higher when wearing a mask as people are constantly touching their mask.

If I was a carer or a nurse, there's a good chance I could find myself in the situation you described, and therefore masks are very much the order of the day. That's not my job. I do regularly use a supermarket though and I'm not convinced masks are necessarily a good thing in such an environment. I'm not convinced they're not either. I don't know.