absolutely agree... WHATS THE DIFFERENCE

Discussion in 'Bulletin Board' started by Dragon Tyke, Jul 13, 2020.

  1. Dragon Tyke

    Dragon Tyke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2011
    Messages:
    18,566
    Likes Received:
    5,655
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Saint Athan
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
  2. LiverpoolRed

    LiverpoolRed Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2005
    Messages:
    14,998
    Likes Received:
    7,270
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Liverpool, Liverpool, United Kingdom, 105653082800
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    He doesn't deserve to be abused if it's what he believes.

    However, teaching your child about history whilst dressed as a terrorist then posting it on social media isn't helping the situation either.
     
    Redhelen likes this.
  3. Jam

    Jamo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2014
    Messages:
    6,887
    Likes Received:
    7,318
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Whilst the abuse he gets is undeserved and largely perpetrated by little scrotes who wouldn't dare say it to his face, there's a difference between being attacked for not wearing a poppy - something which, whilst against his beliefs, he could choose to change - and being abused for the colour of your skin. That doesn't mean he shouldn't receive more support though.
     
    TonyTyke and Redhelen like this.
  4. Redhelen

    Redhelen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2018
    Messages:
    38,553
    Likes Received:
    45,048
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Seems a bit me, me, me tbh. He has a point and the FA have acted on it, we got fined didn't we?
     
    TonyTyke and LiverpoolRed like this.
  5. LiverpoolRed

    LiverpoolRed Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2005
    Messages:
    14,998
    Likes Received:
    7,270
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Liverpool, Liverpool, United Kingdom, 105653082800
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    We did!
     
  6. Sup

    SuperTyke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2005
    Messages:
    56,205
    Likes Received:
    30,448
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Abusing him for being Irish. Bang out of order
    Giving him abuse for being a supporter of a terrorist organisation. Completely right. He deserves it.


    If a man from Afghanistan was called a p*** it would be out of order.
    If the same man was given dogs abuse for flying an Isis flag it's the correct response.


    James McClean has been largely abused for his support of a banned terror group that murdered children. He has also received a relatively small amount of a use for his nationality, caused directly by the ill feeling his disgusting beliefs have caused.
    One is perfectly acceptable, the other is unacceptable. The issue is as ever pretending they're both the same thing.
     
  7. lk3

    lk311 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2016
    Messages:
    10,021
    Likes Received:
    8,105
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Saha was abused not because of anything he did but because of the colour of his skin.
    Mclean gets boo'd and abuse because of his actions and beliefs by not supporting the wearing of a Poppy etc.

    Personally I believe he is entitled to his opinion and beliefs but by default having a belief he will attract criticism of all forms.

    But his points about other players showing support for little Black squares etc and not him is wrong as they are saying they agree with anti Racism messages but are not saying they agree with his beliefs over Poppy wearing.
     
  8. stairfoot.red

    stairfoot.red Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2008
    Messages:
    3,736
    Likes Received:
    6,815
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Computer Engineer
    Location:
    Stairfoot
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    If he wants sympathy might I suggest he doesn't dress up as a murderer make some sick comment about educating his kids while dressed like that then publish it on social media. Maybe he should like some other players just quietly not wear the poppy and not try to make a political statement about not wearing it. A black player can't do anything about being black a player who openly supports a terrorist organisation could just shut the **** up. Maybe his team mates in the Republic of Ireland team aren't jumping up and down supporting him because they like me think he's just an odious attention seeking knob with views on a terrorist organisation they don't share, after all a large minority of the people killed by the IRA are Irish Catholics too.
     
  9. Sim

    Simon De Montforte Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2009
    Messages:
    5,370
    Likes Received:
    4,836
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Fair enough if he doesn't want to wear a poppy but he courts controversy by turning his back on the bugler playing the last post and standing yards away from his team mates. What does he expect when he does that in our country. Also, he forgets that lots of Irish died in the 1st World War which was the origination of the poppy wearing.
     
  10. KamikazeCo-Pilot

    KamikazeCo-Pilot Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2011
    Messages:
    6,487
    Likes Received:
    9,488
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Sunny Darton
    Style:
    Barnsley
    There are two issues here...1. Does Mclean deserve any kind of abuse for being irish -No
    2. Does he deserve abuse for holding the views he does - No. If people disagree with his views they should confront him and argue. His personal behaviour, whilst it may be objectionable, does not negate those points
     
    JLWBigLil and Redhelen like this.

Share This Page