O/T Shamima Begum

Won her appeal to return to the UK .

Shamima Begum can return to UK to fight citizenship, Court of Appeal rules https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53427197

 

If she gets her citizenship back you can be guaranteed riots and protests about it up and down the country. Not sure why she'd want to come back either because someone at some point will find her and end her life.

 

That’s what happens when politicians make Populist ‘legal’ pronouncements.

 

I am quite happy for her to return to the UK and fight to reclaim her citizenship/prove her innocence...

Once the Syrian and Iraqi governments have finished with her.

Lets be right, the only reason she wants to come home is she can see the light through the trapdoor.

 

Innocent until *proven* guilty. Only a few muppets are saying she can come home, get a new identity and a nice house. Bring her home, investigate the allegations against her, take her and any accomplices (or others involved) to trial if there is sufficient evidence, then sentence appropriately if the jury finds her guilty. If that is life, then I have no problem with that at all. But it is not ok for a government to illegally remove her citizenship without going through the legal process - even if that means they can't because it isn't legal (and because it is international law they can't unilaterally write a law to do that).

 

Thought she had duel nationality that's why they were able to remove the British one her problem was Bangladesh I think it was don't want her there either.. Funny though she wasn't screaming to come back when her " Isis Husband" was busy chopping the heads off westerners which she was fully aware of and supported by the way.

 

Bangladesh always denied that she had dual-nationality even though she might have qualified through her parents. When it originally came up, they were of the opinion that they didn't want to give citizenship to a suspected terrorist!

If they had brought her back, questioned her and identified legally without any doubt that she held both, then I don't think anyone would have a problem with her losing her citizenship.

When she is proven guilty, they can put her inside forever if that is the appropriate sentence from the judge, but that hasn't happened yet. Its a lot easier if the politicians would actually follow due process and the law to get things done rather than making rash pronouncements that have no legal weight. Making someone stateless is illegal under the UN Convention on Stateless People (1954) and UN Convention on Reduction of Statelessness (1961). The UK signed up to both of these.

 

Doesn't the fact that she could come back and not be killed kind of point out a big reason why we consider ourselves to be a civilised nation?

 

Yes, but she decided she didn’t want to be part of a civilised nation the moment she decided to join up with isis. Now all of a sudden she has rights. It f.ucking stinks. She should be hung from the first lamppost as soon as she arrives back here. It will end up costing us millions if she gets a new identity, protection etc. Surely 1 bullet is cheaper. She didn’t give a f.uck about westerners being killed in the name of isis!!!

 

Lol at it "f.ucking stinking" that people have certain inalienable rights, such as the right to a fair trial and due process.

I despair.

 

She doesn't have the right to come back to the UK to live. She has won the right to be present *in person* for her appeal against being made stateless if she complies with restrictions imposed by the Home Secretary.

She could lose her appeal and be deported. She could be arrested when she arrives and questioned about her activities and contacts in the UK. She could be convicted tried and spend the rest of her life in prison.

Provided the law is followed I have no problem with her spending her life imprisoned or having her citizenship removed *BUT IT HAS TO BE LEGAL* not on an populist announcement to win votes.

 

Interesting that the alt right are obsessed with grooming except in this case. I have little sympathy with her but she should be tried and if convicted serve the appropriate sentence. Making stupid on the hoof decisions bites any govt in the ass.

 

Didn’t the victims of Isis have any rights, f.ucking I despair.

 

Let’s see what happens, but she won’t be deported. Where are they going to deport her to??

 

Back to Syria if she legally loses her British citizenship - or she might have the choice of Bangladesh if she has citizenship and they let her in.

 

Did the people in the organisation she decided to leave the UK to join follow that mantra she wasn't interested in the human rights of the people getting their heads lopped off by her "Isis Husband" why should we give a toss about hers as the saying goes you reap what you sow

 

There’s a lot of hypocrites in this world.

What we have here is a girl who was groomed by religious fanatical fantasists from the age of 13, who legged it to Syria at 15.

She joined isis, and both married a terrorist and condoned terrorist action. That is horrendous and for which she should be tried and punished.

But some of the rhetoric is bizarre. Girls groomed for sex in this country? Victims. Not slappers.

Girl groomed by Islamic extremists? Terrorist. Hang her.

I was never comfortable with her citizenship being removed. It was done to garner popularity amongst the people who are the ones now wanting her dead. It was never, ever, legally sound. She never had Bangladeshi citizenship - she might have been eligible to ask for it, but she didn’t have it.

I’m not seeking to excuse all her decisions on her being groomed; she should face justice. But she should face justice as a British citizen. There have been dozens of men/boys go to Syria to join Isis, some of which are back into his country, some imprisoned for terror offences. Not one of them have had citizenship removed.

We have a young girl who has witnessed very harrowing things in her young years. A lot of which can be apportioned to her own decisions.

But are we really saying that we are ending the life of a 20 year old kid for a decision she made as a 14/15 year old child? We don’t know if she’s truly realised the error of her ways and is truly sorry - but she deserves to be listened to and to have justice served the legal way, not mob rules.

 

I agree with her right to argue her case and the decision of the courts, but I fail to see how that translates to the UK Govt. as the BBC seems to state, that the Govt either,wins an appeal against the decision,or suffers "the embarrassment having to provide a plane to bring her back". If I was subject to a decision by Govt impacting my status as a UK citizen in my absence and then told I could return to argue my case, why would I expect to have the costs paid by them, especially as she managed to fund the outward journey. It is in no way comparable to holidaymakers stranded due to Coronavirus or a travel firm going bust. Let her return yes, but the defence lawyer set to make a packet out of this should put his money where his mouth is and stump up the cash IMO. IF the Govt loses then they stump up the costs. That sounds fair to me.

 

Where would they deport her to. All that will happen if she's is allowed back is whatever the result of her case it WILL cost the tax payers of this country Millions of pounds to keep her because if she wins we are stuck with her and if she loses we are stuck with her because nobody else wants her.

 

The Government have announced that they intend to challenge the decision to allow
her to return to the UK.