Wigan fans View on the Appeal

TBF they do have a point, they didn't pay money they hadn't got on players and wages to keep them up. They just signed the players and then totally forgot about the payment part!

 

You missed the rest of the article that shows he is was having a pop about the Owner test (which was mentioned twice in the article).

 

I’ve tried to have sensible discussions with them but they can’t shake that mindset. It’s clearly the thing that made them vulnerable to shady chancers in the first place bit it doesn’t seem to sink in.

 

I didn't miss anything. Just because he's unhappy with the owner test doesn't mean everything he said was solely aimed at it. I quoted something from the article that I disagreed with and provided a link to the source for context. I didn't disagree with everything he said, just the bit I quoted and disagreed with. What were you expecting me to do, quote the whole article and highlight the bits I agreed with and the bits I disagreed with in different colours?

 

I'm currently in debate with a pretty reasonable Latics fan on Twitter (The West Stand) who talks sense and has some sympathy for our position, but he's just laid this nugget on me;

'Wigan have never been outside of FFP rules, also run a very tight ship.'

Hmm....

 

It would probably be quicker to go to Burgundy and make your own Red.

 

I spoke to one yesterday, said they had no debts and always paid everyone on time. I directed him to their accounts and he said “ that doesn’t count because the owner covered it”

there were no words I could come up with after that!

 

Selective quoting is what spreads half truths and rumours faster, the media do it all the time.
People read it in isolation like I did your quote and come to a conclusion based on half the information.
You claim he was being disingenuous, when actually he was adding context to his statement, which was relegation should be decided on the pitch not by some rogue owner.

 

Armadillo!!!

 

This is what's grinding my gears. Staying within FFP rules doesn't shield anyone from admin or going bust.

Why the **** cant they see this

The spent for years what they dont have. Its simple

 

Just had a quick look at the WAFC (Latics Speyk) message board. Unsurprisingly the item at the top and with most posts concerns their appeal and has been commented on previously, how they have been unfairly treated etc. The post two down is entitled 'Football will eat itself'. Initially about Manchester City's £41m bid for Nathan Ake it becomes a broader post about Sky, the imbalance of Sky money being massively in favour of the Premier League and the impact of that on the EFL where clubs cannot afford to operate. There are posters suggesting that the football pyramid will collapse and that multiple clubs will go into administration in the future.

Ironic that not a single one relates it back to their situation.

 

With respect, I disagree with your interpretation. I read his comment that "The three worst teams who get the least amount of points should be relegated and we all know that." as saying that Barnsley should go down and that the questionable financial practices that allowed them to buy some of our best players with money they didn't have shouldn't come into it. But that's OK, we can disagree on the interpretation. By all means post your own take on the article and the quote. What's unfair is you accusing me of missing things out and selective quoting. Including the text of an entire article every time someone quotes one would be impractical and in breach of copyright. I posted a link to the source article, as I always try to do, so that people could read the full context for themselves and make up their own minds. Most people who post on here don't do that.

 

Having a go after the event is too late imo . If Wigan haven’t expressed a concern on the original rule vote then there isn’t a case imo .
You should be expressing and having been noted that you disagree with a rule as it’s been implemented into the statute book not just because you fall of one .

 

The ridiculous thing though is that he's right on the first part. Despite pretty eye watering losses year on year, they haven't breached FFP. They've run out of cash as a business and if an owner is unwilling to fund it, they have to notify an insolvency practitioner and take advice.

I wonder if there are more clubs in the championship that may now create a majority to tighten this insane £39m losses over 3 years to something that might help businesses be closer to breakeven.

 

I guess the interpretation can vary, the way you look at it.

Whatever people's view of the appeal, Wigan shouldn't be in this position. If they had a responsible owner, they would've looked to restructure, or fundraise, to get them through to the transfer window, when they could've had a fire sale of players and reduced budgets to be in line with their income.

 

They lodged their appeal shortly after the ruling. For some reason, they were able to wait till the end of the season before confirming they would proceed. Nuts.

 

I agree it’s about interpretation and with respect you did selective quote and did omit the rest. In the said article he never mentioned us and a couple of times referred to the ownership test.
I read the article and saw that exact same quote as him saying a rogue owner should not influence league positioning.

 

Thanks again. I think it's your last para which gives me the concern.Totally understand that it would be a nonsense and a dangerous precedent but one view might be that the appeals panel need not bother themselves with setting precedents. I'm 'assuming of course that they can create new '"law". The consequence of such a ruling being that the EFL would need to preclude any such future similar action bu re-writing the rules.

 

Wigan's QC is David Phillips, who just so happens to also be a Sports Resolutions Limited Appointed Arbitrator, the same organisation who comprise the so-called independent panel. No conflict of interest there then. We're ******.

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Tight ship is open to interpretation but he is correct on the FFP.
Which is why football is fecked.
I’m not certain on exact reason the figure of £39 million was created but would guess its to do with relegation from PL etc.
But having that figure in place enables clubs to abuse it and pushes them closer to potential administration.

The phrase relating to speeding springs to mind of its a maximum not a target.