My sense of Irony has just died

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  1. Farnham_Red

    Farnham_Red Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    what to say
     
    Farnham_Red, Aug 13, 2020
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    How long into a ‘career’ do your A level results last?
    Once you have a degree, there’s a cursory glance at maths and English gcse results.

    once you’re in work (at 16, 18, or 21) your CV is what carries you through the rest of your life.

    no one gets ‘promoted’ based on their A level results. Though you can become a Tory minister with no qualifications other than pledging to ‘get Brexit done’ at all cost.
     
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    But I'm sure they're fine with the super rich planting children in amazing schools so that they have an amazing academic record regardless of their natural intelligence.

    Government is full of people who never had a chance at doing badly at school because they were rich.
     
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    Don't worry Gavin, going to the right school or having the right surname will still provide a much greater advantage.

    I do wonder whether it will lead to inflated grades for all - I tossed my mocks off knowing I could work when it mattered and would have got awful grades.
     
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    From the man who told the Russians to ''just shut up and go away'

    If he'd not been sacked for leaking (possible treason) he'd have next threatened them with the time out room, naughty step, no sweets for a month and stopping their pocket money.
     
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    Yeah one day you could be a failed fireplace salesman the next a govt minister.
     
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    I think where it does make a difference though as it determines which university you go to, which has a big impact on the start of your career, and then beyond.
     
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    Well he should know, he has experience of it....
     
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    That is undoubtedly true but if you arent good enough when you get to Uni you wont get a good degree so its hardly going to get you promoted beyond your competence. Back in 1981 I messed up my Chemistry and missed the required grade for electronic Engineering I was offered - fortunately Liverpool were much more interested in my Maths and Physics and took me anyway - I did have a fall back offer at Warwick but my life would have turned out significantly different if I had gone there. I can honestly say that once i started Uni I dont think anyone has cared since what O and A level results I got, and once I had some work experience I don't think my degree has been that important either. Needed it to get my first job but after that I dont think it has been important at all
     
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    well they could do badly at school and it wouldn't matter cos they're rich and Daddy went to Oxford.
     
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    I think that's probably true of sciences and technical based careers, but less so for other disciplines. I think when you're getting a Russell Group uni degree whether it's a first, 2:1 or 2:2 is largely irrelevant.

    Most of my friends had jobs sewn up pre-graduation. I graduated from York in 2003 which was at the time a top 5 uni, and anyone who was really career focused were getting hoovered up by the big 4 accountancy firms despite having done largely unrelated degrees, whilst my mates at other uni's doing accountancy degrees didn't get a look in.

    I've definitely got friends who are only in the job they're in now because they went to York. Not that they haven't since worked incredibly hard and are hugely talented, but the uni they went to go them through the first door.

    This is in no way an endorsement of the system, or to sound dismissive of other universities. Personally I'm far prouder of my MSc from Sheffield Hallam than my history degree from York.
     
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    Admittedly I was in a technical field and I went to a University with a good reputation in Engineering one which is in fact a Russel Group one now -though the group didnt exist in 1984 - I had 2 job offers pre graduation - one was conditional on me getting an honours degree - the other wasnt - though my starting salary was - but there were people who failed in years 1 and 2 who obviously didnt get that far. but you are right it didnt really matter if I had a first or a 3rd - it made no difference to my career. It would have done had I wanted to carry on and do a masters or PhD though.
     
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    Are the ruling elite worried that there might be less places in Oxbridge for the thick kids who went to Rugby, Eton and Harrow?
     
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    Yeah definitely on that last point, you really did need a first to carry straight on to Masters. I got a 2:1 and certainly didn't want to do a masters at that point, but was lucky enough to have an employer who supported me in doing one part time in my late 20s.

    Just to add I certainly wasn't career minded at uni and didn't have anything lined up because I didn't have a clue what I wanted to do and actively avoided recruiters. But I was lucky to get the offer of a paid internship in regeneration during my last week of uni and it set me on a career path I love.
     
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    Look at Prince Harry, academically poor but went to Sandhurst and became an officer. The ‘officer class’ is still alive and well as long as daddy is well connected.
     
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    Being incapable at University won’t help though.

    The sad truth is that most people promoted above their talent are either bovine excrement pedlars or come from a very privileged background (or both)
     
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    Not necessarily true - I have seen a fair few examples of the Peter Principle at work over the years
     
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    I've never had a single employer look at my grades. I have a masters degree and no employer has even asked for it, never mind A levels.

    My current employer didn't even look at my CV. The employment was based purely off an online skills and knowledge test, followed by a skype interview.
     
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    I had an interview last year for a company after doing an online test - I got the highest score they'd ever seen and they first thought I'd been cheating :)

    Wasn't the right job for me or them though.
     
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    But that’s partly due to bullsh!t at interview
     
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