This latest police shooting

https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threa...led-by-police-in-2019-19-of-them-were.269184/

 

I won't be taking lectures from people like you, by that I mean those who haven't a clue what they're on about. Enjoy playing armchair / keyboard politician, detective and all round knowitall and let the real frontline workers in the real world get on with the task in hand.


Tell me are you still angry about a piece of metal being pulled down? Is Robert Peel spinning about Bristol?

 

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Jean Charles da Silva e de Menezes. Anybody remember him?

 

That was horrific, obviously tensions were mega high after 7/7 days before. It was an awful position to be in.
He was a Brazilian overstayer and thought the police were immigration officials. It was the perfect storm for things like this to happen. I'm no fan of the current chief at the Met and she was in charge that day. She did herself no favours in trying to placate the situation and then being flexible with the facts (PC).

It's a million miles away from the incidents in US but no less horrific. Our armed officers are extremely good, communication and tactics are amazing.
That day was just like I say the perfect storm, human error by everyone involved.
If he'd been stopped in a park with less people around rather than in a location which was a potential target I'm sure it would have ended much differently.

 

Of course you won't, and therein lies the problem, you've forgotten that you're here to serve the public - ALL of the public including those that you disagree with. You're there to uphold the law but not selectively which is what you currently do, therefore the public, you know, those you're here to serve have lost faith.

Whether you personally agree with how Colson made his money or not, whether you personally support BLM or not, whether you believe that it's right to ignore the parents of white girls being raped by asian men or not, it's your job to apply the law equally.

I'm absolutely certain that if drove to Mandela Gardens and ragged the name plaque off the wall whilst dressed in a klu klux klan outfit I'd be arrested.

But it's ok to march around London in paramilitary gear causing public disorder.

But don't listen to 'people like me' - we're the silent law abiding tax paying majority who think you're wanting as a public service.

"by constantly demonstrating absolute impartial service to law"

I've underlined impartial for you, think about next time you're on your knees.

 

Whether you agree with him or not, should the police remain impartial and apply the law fairly no matter of the agenda tho?

 

You're preaching to the wrong audience get yourself off to the local Tory club and tell em you're a white male and that you feel oppressed by everyone and everything. I'm sure you'll find many kindred spirits there, all living in the 1920s not the 2020s.

This thread is about a bloke being shot 7 times in the back at point blank range with his kids in close proximity by a police officer. Let that sink in!

We police by consent in this country, that means something. When was the last time you heard of a fatality in police custody ( on site) resulting from a domestic incident? You're arguing that UK police are somehow soft on crime, so simple question for you Home Secretary should UK police all have guns? We already have firearms in the form of PAVA and taser.

 

Yes is the answer to that question and I don't see how taking a knee through their own choice is an issue.

Would you want to see officers sacked or disciplined for speaking out against racial inequality or taking a knee to show solidarity ?

 

So proportionally?

 

What's the breakdown of stop and searches, general stop and rough ups, stop and beatings, stop and being offensive?

Unarmed shootings / positional asphyxia through illegal restraint are the end product of other negative behaviours. If you get away with one thing you push the barriers. No different to how some murders operate, they start by being abusive and then it escalates. Give someone a badge with this thought process and its extremely dangerous. Make someone a chief of police and let them promote their ideas through the ranks it'll lead to injuries or worse. See Darryl Gates former LA police chief.

 

Yes, it was the seven bullets that rang a bell for me. I’m pretty sure the plain clothed police man quietly sat next to the victim and without a word, shot him 7 times in the head. I also think that the 7 shots was procedure rather than judgement.
Of course, the police thought his backpack could have been a bomb, hence the no warning.

 

No i wouldn't want them sacked or disciplined. Iv no issue if they want to take the knee or not, but whilst on duty it's imperative they remain impartial. BLM or EDL it makes no difference, crimes committed should be dealt with the same.

 

You honestly think that's equivalent to pulling down the Colston statue?

 

"get yourself off to the local Tory club and tell em you're a white male and that you feel oppressed by everyone and everything. I'm sure you'll find many kindred spirits there, all living in the 1920s not the 2020s."

Sort of reverse racial profiling don't you think. "quick, stop that Audi he's a white middle aged tax paying law abiding citizen who has the audacity to question whether the police should be ignoring crime and bending a knee, arrest him immediately "

Seriously though you really do have some white prejudice issues you need to sort out fella.

On the subject of the new focus for your cause Jacob Blake was resisting arrest, despite having his kids in the car ( which you seem to be far more concerned about than he, their dad was) he was wanted in relation to domestic violence and sexual assault allegations. A fine upstanding citizen much like your other hero George Floyd another career criminal. He was alleged to be carrying a knife, the police had used tazer and tried unsuccessfully to restrain him, he went to his car to potentially arm himself with another deadly weapon, ignoring the police instructions and was shot. He's not a hero, the tragedy is that folk like you latch onto the colour of his skin, had he been a white middle aged conservative you wouldn't have given two hoots.

As for 'policing by consent' it's based on the police taking an ethical approach to policing - surely it's unethical to show support for one section of society by turning a blind eye to law breaking whilst applying those same laws to others ?

Another reminder for you -
"To seek and preserve public favour, not by pandering to public opinion, but by constantly demonstrating absolutely impartial service to law"

you're not here to bend the knee to anybody, you're here to uphold that law, the same law that applies irrespective of cause or colour or indeed your own personal prejudices against white males.

 

Of course not, but it would be breaking the law. My point being that I'm sure I'd be arrested immediately,whilst in the case of the Colston statue the police did nothing to prevent either the demonstration or the criminal damage. As I understand it just one arrest has been made, there were multiple people involved, why were they not arrested at the time

 

That's the example of why this argument will rage on forever. This idea that statues are more important than historicial and current treatment of minorities is a joke. That by pulling them down it degrades the argument of BLM. If that fails then morals and patriotism and history and empire are used to beat folk with. Then if that fails snowflake, communist, socialist and woke name calling starts.

All too predictable from the playbook. Before George Floyd we were labelled remoaners and anti democratic.

A new labeling process is happening with those afraid of a second Covid wave and want to unlock very slowly and those who want to unlock and to hell with the consequences cos it's just like the flu.

 

Would you want to see officers sacked or disciplined for speaking out against racial inequality - of course not.

taking a knee to show solidarity - it's not their place to do so whilst on duty, what would be the difference between that and showing support for an EDL march ??

 

Get your name down to join the force, you clearly have so much experience and knowledge to pass on.

You've explained perfectly the logic of why 7 shots occurred. He had a criminal past, he was a wrong un he got what was coming to him.

Like I said get your name down and police a few minority populated areas of SY you'll do great things!

 

Different causes; one wishes to divide and is discriminatory, those attending BLM rallies want social justice for minorities.

Spot the difference!

Join the force its that easy you have all the answers.

 

I don't have all the answers but nor it seems do you - when presented with the facts you retort with insults which is a shame. I do have a voice, a voice that shouldn't be dismissed because of the colour of my skin.

It boils down to this; whilst on duty you are there to uphold the law equally irrespective of your own personal beliefs or those of your colleagues. When you don't you lose the respect and support of the people you are there to serve as does the law. Hence my original post about Robert Peel.

As for joining the force my middle aged white knees wouldn't be up to all the genuflecting required of your average police officer these days. I do think that there's a lot to be said for those of us with a bit of life experience policing the streets rather than kids fresh out of uni where the modus operandi these days seems to be telling our young men and women what they are allowed to think as opposed to how to think, but I fear that upholding the law regardless would be as unwelcome as a fart in a phone box to most people under 40.

I don't agree with much of what you post, I don't agree with this whole bending the knee thing by those paid to serve, it doesn't make me a bad person - support BLM in your own time please, police it as you would anything else when being paid from the public purse, It's what we the paying public expect you to do, it's not too much to ask.

Do stay safe in what you do.