Interesting tactical analysis of our systems under Struber

Yep - especially when coupled with the post directed towards me.
4-4-2 !!!!
FFS.
Clearly this Red Rain character hasn’t understood a single post of mine in the last 6 months.

 

Neither has anybody else

 

I thought someone would. As I was writing it, I was thinking that someone is going to accuse me of being condescending again, and patronising is just as good.

 

It is almost as though there might be some shred of truth to it. I don't know, I can't decide

 

If that is was you think, I really wouldn't bother reading me again, because I doubt whether you are going to like it.

 

Aren't patronising and condescending a sort of self deprecating insult. I don't know, but it seems like you have given up if you call someone patronising.

 

I'm not sure why you believe people are insulting you?! They are telling you how you come across in what you say. I think if multiple posters were frequently telling me the same thing I'd take a step back and consider whether I am presenting myself on here in the wrong light. I wouldn't, on the other hand, have the arrogance to assume everyone is wrong and continue on regardless.

 

Perhaps you would like to school me. I told the poster that I am still learning, meaning that I do not fully understand the game now. How could I have put it in a less condescending, less arrogant, less patronising way.

 

I don't think you intend to come across as patronising or condescending but I do believe you underestimate the interest of the average fan in knowing about the tactical side of the game. It is not just you alone or a small minority who are interested and attempt to work out exactly what is happening. It's the majority. I think you're running the risk of equating a negative reaction to your posts regarding tactics as a lack of interest or intellect, rather than just genuine criticism of your style of posting.

Under Struber we're all learning. This is new to us all, even no doubt to paid professionals within the game right now. You accept this too, humbly, but why can you not merely state what you think and share your obvious tactical knowledge (which I always appreciate, by the way) without making sweeping statements about the majority of the fan base? They're alienating when they could be educating. I know you've come in for a lot of unwarranted stick on here in your time and perhaps this plays a role in it. Remember that most of us are good people who are interested in every single aspect of Barnsley FC and will debate with you all you like about tactics. The idiots and arseholes are few, but always shout the loudest. Have the good people in mind when you post, not the bad.

 

What is the point though? You have consistently proven to me and others that you have no interest in what other people have to say - unless they are in agreement with you or showering you in praise.

You fail to grasp the concept of a board such as this in it being an interactive community. You fail to read other people's opinions and that is blatantly evidenced by frequently peddling the same standpoint that other BBSers want to throw millions upon millions at players when nobody has said that. Show me a single post where someone has said that and I will apologise to you.

You've just blatantly told a 60 odd year old bloke he only sees the game as being 4-4-2 and then invited him to study it, when you don't know him from Adam. Is that not a bit patronising?!?!

You frankly come across as an unpleasant person and this is the last time I'm going to interact with you. You may be a really nice man in person but on here you come across very badly.

 

It’s one thing to believe everything that you write.
Everyone on here believes what they are writing is right - unless of course they know for themselves that they are lying.
People believe they are right until they are proved wrong.

But that is totally different to misrepresenting someone else’s view.
Doing that is unacceptable.
And what you said about my understanding of the game with regard to 442 is absolute ballax.
You are trying to tell people what they think.

 

many years after he's retired I met former manager John Steele a couple of times and the one thing I recall him saying when talking about football was 'the fans know their stuff down down there!'
Of course he was right - I am amazed and impressed with the knowledge so many BFC supporters have about all aspects of football - up to speed on transfers - understand team selection - tactics etc.
Read some of the posts on this site - lots of posters 'know their stuff.'

The danger is that if you take the view that most fans are not up to speed you will believe your views to be right and theirs, because you think they don't know much about the game, to be wrong.
My son and his mates post match will spend hours discussing the tactics etc of that match.
My guess RR is that there are many thousands who are just as knowledgeable as yourself - possibly more knowledgeable.

Having said that I'm one of these supporters who isn't particularly interested in team tactics/selection etc. I've a ST - rarely miss a game - I back the manager and team 100% - (I even have a BFC sticker on the rear window of my car!) -
be careful not to imply we're somehow 'inferior' supporters.

 

Basic principal on the site, happens often on here over most subjects, especially Politics and Brexit.

 

I am almost 70 years of age myself. I was brought up watching 4-4-2 and it has taken me a long time to adjust to the new ways and the new tactics of Gerhard Struber. It has not been easy, but unless you realise that something is going on here that is different, you are not going to be able to appreciate it. Strubers system is totally different because every outfield player in the team is a defender and every outfield player in the team is an attacker. They all have to be athletes. The team plays as one in a way that I have not seen in my 55 years of watching Barnsley. I want people to realise that they are watching something different. I want them to try to understand it, just as I have tried, and am still trying. I would love to debate my ideas with people on here. I read almost everything that is posted. I do not respond to most of it because from past experience, I know where it leads. If only I could find someone to debate with who would not lose their temper, and start debating my character rather than my ideas. But despite the fact that things are never made personal from my end of the debate, things always end like this, in animosity and rancour. If you want me to debate with you, I am only too willing to do so, but understand that I will withdraw if the debate becomes about me rather than my ideas.

 

Gosh!

 

OK. You tell me what you know about 4-diamond-2 or 3-4-1-2 the systems likely to be used next season by Gerhard Struber. I will tell you where I agree and where I disagree and we will carry on our debate. However, do not be surprised if I do not mention player names, because It is the system we are debating and not the players. The introduction to this thread was about systems, and yet your first post tried to get me to agree that Brown and Mowatt should not be in the team. In my opinion, both players are essential to Strubers system, but you have a bee in your bonnet about them and you are not willing to let it drop. I wanted to say that the subject was about a system and not the individual players.

 

Might there be a grain of truth in this?

 

I would love to debate tactics, and specifically Gerhard Struber's tactics, because I realise that I have much to learn and debate is part of the learning process. Whitey has corrected Minority Report from time to time, and his comments have made me think, made me revise my thoughts. My problem is that in order to debate and learn, you actually need someone to debate with.

 

many years ago i trained as a diesel mech when i came out of the army, i had a basic mechanical knowledge before this and with the help of idiots guide ( haynes manual ) i could do most jobs on a car/bus/lorry now like RR has said football like engines has evolved to the extent that i can go outside, look under my car bonnet ( cooper s goes like a stabbed rat) and know how it basically works but not know how half the parts actually work ( ecu, coil pack ?????) so i sort of get what RR is getting at by explaining how each of the individual bits work and make the team play. some people will find this very interesting others just want to get in the car and know that it works and dont really give a flying f**k how........................ p.s happy 63rd birthday A.A.C.

 

Not really helping the whole condescension thing with the "if only there were someone on here at my level and worthy of my time" stuff.