409 migrants crossed the Chanel today ...a record!!!

Or sponge off other countries.

 

Is that because if you comment, you'll have to admit to reading the Daily Mail or the Sun?

 

And how much money is each of those retired people costing the UK economy by taking money and spending it overseas rather than here?

Clue: more than an immigrant.

 

The way I understand it, all routes are legal. The legality starts after you arrive.

 

???? The illegality is WHEN you arrive. You cannot simply get on a flight /ferry or drive and enter the UK without legal documentation passport etc. Try entering a country without documentation or not declaring your arrival. You are welcome to try entering another country in that way. YOu will be sent back on the first flight and refused entry. Just saying.

The fault lies with the system though. Huge delays in processing asylum claims combined with the fact that the law prevents them from seeking any gainful employment. Discerning genuine asylum seekers fleeing war zones etc from economic migrants is difficult and time consuming.

Apologists on here arguing we all have the right to better ourselves. This is true but only if economic migrants do so legally, obeying the laws and regulations of the country you seek to travel to. So even if they have contacts here, qualifications and the chance to work they cannot and have to rely on the state for food subsistence and accommodation. Just because I see a house with fantastic landscaped gardens in the Cotswolds in a fantastic location which is far better than what someone already has does not mean Ithey can rock up, pitch a tent and demand the owner feeds and clothes them. That, in effect is exactly what economic migrants are doing. Yes, Asylum seekers fleeing danger are different it is just that virtually every migrant is claiming to be one.

Incidentally, 4k people have arrived by boat across the channel so far this year alone. If none of them are processed quickly the costs escalate. If we consider that it costs around as a 'stab in the dark' around 20k for each migrant for the Channel patrols, processing asylum claims, processing Welfare and providing housing, and subsistence, providing social care for children etc. then that amounts to around £80m. For all those complaining about the state of the NHS, that is close to the cost of 1 building a new equipped hospital (excluding surrounding infrastructure).Alternatively, it could provide money for additional nurses and/or GPs. Putting aside the rights and wrongs of migrants (asylum seekers) actions, a simple free for all with open borders, as the World exists currently is simply not viable.

No doubt the usual clique on here will call' racist' and resort to the usual response of personal abuse and name calling (as some have already done on this thread) but that simply illustrates their inability to come up with a realistic practical solution. The facts speak for themselves.Given the current situation re Covid where jobs are increasingly scarce and the strain on infrastructure is close to breaking point. Quoting statistic like 0.0006% increase is meaningless as distribution is uneven. (Imagine 150 undocumented migrants arriving in Barnsley in a single week. How would the council cope?

 

There’s this pink and fluffy view that they are all fleeing war and persecution. Some will be, some won’t. The reality is that they’re sold a dream of a land of milk and honey by traffickers who take their money and provide a nicked boat. Then we clothe, feed, educate and medicate whilst putting some of them up in nice hotels. I’m still of the mind that the genuine ones should claim asylum in the first safe country then make their way to the uk legitimately if they want to come here. The only way to stop this is to turn the boats around in the channel and escort back to France. Once the traffickers realize that the game is up it’ll end.

 

Ah, the good old Brexit "this money could be going to the NHS not forrins" argument. Good to know enough time has apparently now passed since the bus debacle for this to become viable again.

Even if we take the £80m you've pulled out of thin air at face value you do realise that this money doesn't just disappear right? It gets spent in this country, gets taxed etc and provides some economic benefit. This is in contrast to retirees who emigrate and remove substantial amounts from the economy.

 

Now I know this is hard for some people but put yourself in someone else's shoes for a minute.

Why would you board a rhib built for 1/2 people with 15 other people and go into 1 of the busiest shipping lanes in the world. It's like climbing Everest without oxygen.

 

When you’re already in a safe country ? It does make you wonder what the traffickers are telling them. I just don’t understand the mentality that thinks its ok. A bloke walks into your house without knocking and sits down, he tells you he’s homeless and you’re obliged to put him up, clothe him, feed him and give him spending money. I do wonder realistically how many of you would, or how many would find an excuse, why arent you doing it now ? And don’t tell me it’s because...... if you were so believing in your convictions you’d make the room.

 

Our country by law must take in and deal according to the law with anyone who claims asylum. It's not the responsibility of individuals, it's written down that the country (all of us) will adhere to the law and its principles.
It's part of living in a progressive and wealthy country.

Maybe if we didn't support and involve ourselves in proxy wars which displace millions yearly we wouldn't have people trying to come here.

 

If a bloke walked into our house, hed soon leave due to the smelk of our cats farts the dirty furry get

 

In my opinion, you've just tried to raise an issue where none exist. Referring to the cost of 4k migrants with a 'stab in the dark' and ending up with a shiny new hospital.

The 'usual clique' you refer to are just ordinary folk unwilling to buy into this fear-mongering. Folk who see far more pressing and genuine issues in the country where time would be better spent. And why the habitual reference or worry that you'll be called racist? I don't ever post anything online or say anything in person where I have to first make clear I'm not racist, or worry that what I say could be deemed as such.

I won't be coming up with a 'solution', thanks. But as a fellow human being I hope these migrants and/or asylum seekers are treated with good grace, as I'd hope to be were I in a similar situation. But I'll finish by again pointing out that this is clearly a dead cat. Just as the irrelevant noise was regards singing songs at the proms. Convenient, fabricated nonsense to get the dim to look the other way.

 

If you truly believe that all those coming here are genuine then you’re more naive than I would expect someone in your profession to be. Claim asylum in the first safe country and if you become a legitimate member if the united states of europe then you can apply to come here.

 

We don't have to put them up ourselves. We pay taxes so the government does it.
We have an asylum system because it would be utterly lacking in compassion and social conscience not to.
I don't know if the UK one works. I assume it does, if slowly, and weeds out those who have no justification to stay.
The right wing don't seem to want an asylum system though. Any Syrian fleeing a government that gases its own civilians is lumped together by Nigel and Tommy etc as filthy little spongers.
I'd love to see what some on here would do if Boris started dropping mustard gas on South Yorkshire.

 

Why do you have to keep berating someone about their knowledge of their own job? It is highly patronising.

 

The difficulty as with all systems giving away free money is weeding out the genuine from the spongers

 

That's what the asylum system is for.
The Tories are currently running it. Are you suggesting we should let someone else run it? The EDL or the UKIP might be more to your taste?

 

Not at all, I’m just frustrated by the abuse of our systems which are there to provide for the genuine in need. It’s like coming here to work and sending child benefit back to Romania. I don’t get why folk support it all.

 

Care to elaborate on that one?

 

Yeah just what we need, barely educated chancers who can't speak English and have come here for housing , benefits and healthcare,and in the meantime a stay in a 4 star hotel