2,988 More COVID cases in past 24 hour

Understatement of the Century

 

Drove through Whitby today back from Sandsend. God help! Sainsbury's on edge of town, back to April measures including face masks well done to em. It was 5 deep on pavements in centre hardly anyone wearing face masks.

 

Did you nor read about all the illegal raves and parties that have had to be broken up, pubs and bars being closed by authorities as people (mainly young as reported) are not adhering to the guidance on social distancing? You may not have personal experience of this but it does not mean it is not happening.
However, I agree with you about older people also not socially distancing having been told about this by my daughter who is now having most of her food shopping delivered.

 

Oh I've heard about the raves, the parties however are people of all ages the difference is simply the music played. I genuinely do not believe that pubs are populated mainly by the young though, not at all. Driving through barnsley I see middle aged people outside the pubs not the young (or old)

 

If we are going on personal experience my neighbour's both in their 80s. One has COPD the other had Heart surgery last year. They are still out and about, seeing all the many grand kids and great grand kids. Absolutely lovely people, when I asked him about it a while back he just said "we aren't long for this Earth I'm seeing my family and living my life"

 

Oh absolutely based on personal experience I have a family member who is in their 60s with many health problems that requires a cocktail of pills and who received a letter gently advising that they may want to consider thinking about possibly staying home for a while. They're at town centre pubs every day at the moment.
I've also got elderly family members with health concerns who have claimed to have been careful and not been out much yet in reality has had friends round constantly because 'theyre trust worthy they won't have it's and family for the same reason (even though that is absolutely the most stupid thing I've heard considering the occupation of one).

Then there's my mum who during lockdown was calling me regularly warning me not to go out in case I die a horrible death whilst she was out quite literally every day because well new dishcloths is an absolute essential isn't it as is car wax. I reckon she was single handedly keeping Tesco going for 3 months.

Elderly neighbour and on the at risk list meeting up with friends on the street for walks together.

It's not just the young, it's not just the old, it's a mix and for many different reasons. There are extremely few raves but they're newsworthy, you won't find a single media outlet attacking the irresponsible elderly or middle aged people though. Not one

 

Just what people need for their health and wellbeing, more restrictions.

 

I'm waiting for the restrictions rather than advice for the vulnerable

 

Fair comment. Admittedly I can't speak from experience for obvious reason of location and so am reliant on media who pretty universally seem focused on raves and outdoor social gatherings mainly involving the 18-25. I am not sure they are demonising them as the recent increases according to official reports are mainly in that age group which seems likely given the increase in confirmed cases has not been matched by deaths and hospitalisations increasing proportionately. My daughter (lives in Doncaster) has complained, as I already mentioned, that many elderly seem oblivious regarding social distancing in supermarket aisles though-

Quick question with all the constant changes. Is it now mandatory in the UK, as it is here, to wear a mask in all shops for both customers and employees?

 

just customers not employees

 

Bizarre. So employees at say checkout handling all the items as they go through the scanner or shelf stackers , butchers at the meat counters etc. Dont have to wear one?? Really? I take it the checkouts staff have a perspex screen in front of them with a small opening at the bottom to pass cards money etc as is the case here?

 

I think the age disparity in positive cases is actually simply because elderly people aren't being forced to get tests by their employers like those of working age are.

And no it's absolutely crazy but I need a mask to walk into Asda alone at night when the shop is deserted but the shop worker can wander the aisles during busy periods without any restrictions

 

Sort of, they all have screens but they lean around it and pass everything around it. They also love to get all touchy feely while forcing a receipt on you

 

Utterly ridiculous!!! Coming to UK at Christmas to visit Grandaughter... As we are now 'conditioned' to wear masks everywhere except when in the car or at home or just the two of us are we going to stand out when wearing them walking around as is the norm here?

EDIT: It will be a doddle wearing them apart from the steaming up of the glasses problem outside which we have yet to find a solution to. I used to go diving and spitting on the inside of the mask used to prevent it steaming up though I think that might be a bit gross in this situation. Nevertheless it will be an improvement in the UK in December on having to wear them here when it has been 30- 35C in the shade. At least my nose wont get cold.

 

Yes
And they sanitize after every customer.

 

Given I dont do facebook. No.

Its exactly as 99% of this BBS do. Look at the evidence presented and form an opinion.

Mine has come from a number of sources including main stream media covering the entire political spectrum, here in the UK, the states and down under. Alot of which isnt opinion columns but as far as you can with the media actual news. Theres also various medical press comments including articles in Lancet, comments by the Royal college of surgeons, even bits supplied by NHS England. Not forgetting the hot air spouted by Handycock Bojo and chums. The SAGE notes are fully published by the way. Lots of emphasise on creating fear. Additionally, anecdotal evidence from people within the medical profession from CCG management through out South and West Yorkshire right through to a rather interesting nurse who was formally on the Covid wards at Northern General. Excellent Bedside manner. If a paramedic is good enough then so are my sources. . .

Just because your ward has been over subscribed it doesnt mean that any of the comments made by myself are incorrect. you are basing your opinions on the evidence presented as am I. Currently overnight beds over all disciplines are around 64% occupied. They need to be at 90% to avoid being fined for under performance.

Its all out there for you to read, Mail, Indy, Snu, Guardian Beeb..

As for Patients are even fearful of leaving the wards to buy a paper or a drink in case they have no bed on return. You know given your own career that for a patient to feel that something is going seriously wrong. Within that ward. However much the NHS want to free a bed up, they cant **** off old Sid while he is nipping to the shop for his Toryograph. Basic duty of care. Most patients unless they are ( and i assume so given your proclaimed speciality) suffering from acute mental illness which would explain the bed pinching fear.

Anyway, I digress. You have and admitted as much been a different person since your mate died. And thats understandable, grief hits people in different ways. The watering hole he attended it would appear to have hit the owner hard hence why it remains closed.

It doesnt change the fact that our civil liberties are getting eroded right in front of us. We are getting Covid Marshals to make sure we " Social Distance" correctly or a nice juicy fine ( can you imagine some scrawny kid in a yellow jacket telling big Brenda from New Lodge she cant dance with that bloke they'll be collecting teeth for a month) , a random number chosen for how many people we can have in our houses. Theres even an article in the Evening Standard about a 10 til 5 curfew getting put in place. And lets not forget Nudgers bridge with its £15 an hour 8-5 bouncers. Some of the stuff from Australia, NZ and Canada is disturbing. Quarantine camps? Or how about the daily tests, did i mention this? I am sure that was on todays Bojos melt down.

Are you so sure any of that is about the virus or about control? Does Covid log off at 1700 and get the train back through to Sheffield? Or suddenly turn up at 2201 ******* off as soon as the first mcmuffin rolls out.

Nor does it change the fact that the UK is looking at C6M unemployed in a few months. My jobs done. I know a few on 60/40 furlough who are joining me at the soup kitchen. Only about a third of London that closed in March has reopened. the working class is going to be decimated.

Nor does it change the fact the UK is heading for a massive mental health crisis. Do you as someone who works in the mental health field think living in permanent fear is a good thing? Or washing your shopping in the bath (it happens its even been documented on here!) Or locking yourself away from the outside world?

 

Yes, but I/we as a couple do the same outside/ in shops etc for a number of reasons unless someone is approaching and likely to come within a few metres......
Glasses steam up readily , more people over 50 wear glasses than younger people so you are more likely to see that behaviour in older people.
In very hot weather it becomes very unpleasant to the point of being pretty unbearable covering both nose and mouth for prolonged periods.
Provided you breath -inhale AND exhale -only through your mouth it seems unlikely that you present an increased risk of contaminating the air (if a sneeze is imminent can quickly pull the mask up over your face anyway) I sometimes simply hold my breath as I pass someone close by if I have both hands full carrying shopping/wheeling trolley to the car for example . Outwardly I may look like I don't give a sh*t but cannot see how the mask makes any difference in that situation.

Seeing people half covering at a distance does not mean they are flouting all the rules re distancing unless you are seeing people carrying masks in their hands when in shops etc. But why would you bother carrying it if you are not going to put it on. Common sense should apply.

 

No it has been nothing to do with glasses. And as far as I'm aware, the rule isn't "only wear it inside a shop when other people are near you". It is normally cold in supermarkets for obvious reasons so temperature shouldn't be an issue either.

 

So you wear a mask over your mouth and not your nose? Am I understanding you right?