Brown off to Stoke

We give young players a great path in their career imo by giving chances for first team football , regular first team football and chances to further their career and or income with other clubs.
Jacob has seized his incentives imo and fully deserves his move if that’s what he wants and imo good luck to him except against us or to the detriment of us .
Young players seeing such as Jacob getting in to first team and holding his place and seeing other alleged bigger clubs coming in for them will incentivise them even more than they are imo and can only benefit us as a club and supporters.

 

It’s the key reason we can and do attract players who sometimes might have gone elsewhere for more money in the first instance.

We’re sold as a ‘stepping stone’ to bigger and better things.

Players like Odour, Styles, Ludwig, Chaplin and even Wilks wouldn’t have come to us if our set up didn’t suit.

I know Odour had some great offers for bigger clubs elsewhere, but turned them down as he knew he development was better here and given chance to.

 

It will probably NOT be reassuring to you - and you may lose support from others if I say this - but I think everything you are saying about Brown is spot on.

What I’d say about other people’s view about Brown is that they are not taking enough interest in individual players contribution.

The weak links in the current first team are clearly Ritzmaier, Mowatt and Brown.
All these players will have been replaced in the first team by Christmas.
In saying that - Mowatt did play well against Forest. But he’s too inconsistent for a regular starting position.

I think opinions about Brown vary because some supporters (not many) take much more interest in the percentage success rate of when a player receives the ball.

Ok - Brown is very athletic and quick - runs his socks off for the club and is brilliant at closing the opposition down (BTW all good defensive qualities).
But as a striker - has a percentage of how productive he is when he receives the ball - I would say that figure is as low as 10% to 20%.
Which means of course only 1 or 2 times out of every 10 times is he able to control the ball, accurately pass the ball or shoot at goal.
That’s just not good enough when compared to the other players around him like Styles, Odour, Chaplin etc etc.

Oh - and BTW - those in the media and the club itself have repeatedly said .......
THE CLUB WANTS ALL THE PLAYERS TO STAY !!!
So let’s get away from all this rubbish of the club wanted to or having to sell.

 

Exactly that and hopefully as we grow as a club the moving option becomes less and less where we are the better option than some of the clubs they’re moving to at present .

 

This doesn't quite ring true to me Nudge. If the decision makers at the club wanted Brown to stay badly enough then he wouldn't be going. I've seen the word 'reluctantly' used in speech marks in a tweet by Giddings - suggesting that someone at the club has used that word to him. But if they're so reluctant they had/have a choice not to sell. He has 2 years left on his contract and so we could refuse a bid - just like Doncaster have done with Whiteman and Livingston did with Dykes. I don't buy the "the player wants to leave, we have to respect that and he'd be a disruptive influence if we didn't agree to it" argument - clubs refuse bids all the time and the reports of what an honest, hardworking and good kid Brown is don't suggest that he'd be a problem.

I'm disappointed that he's leaving, as I don't agree with your assessment about how good he is and particularly as I think he'll develop further and will increase in value. Having said that I've been much more disappointed about other sales in the past than this one and the important thing will be about replacing him - it might be Frieser but even if that's the case we now need another to add to the squad. I also see the logic from some other posters about us needing to sell to fill the Covid-19 whole in finances.

But all that casts doubt on that statement. A more accurate one might read: "ideally we'd like to keep the squad together but we're constantly assessing the impact of Covid-19 on our finances and would also like to develop the squad further and so may decide to sell a player(s) if we believe it's a good deal that supports short term requirements or long term plans".

 

Radio Sheffield report that Jacob Brown will complete his move to Stoke, after he passed a medical last night.
The club "reluctantly agreed " to sell him said the sports news at 11am

 

I missed the story about us going into administration and having to sell players at Wiggin Athletic prices.

 

The moving option will always exist - it has to, as that’s how we break even each year. And with no crowds still, it’s imperative more than ever that we do.

What will happen, is that if we can remain in the Championship, we can command better fees. Of which these proceeds can be spent on better recruits. So in essence, we’ll spend more, but be able to recoup more later.

That’s why the board have always stated it’s a long term plan. And they need Championship status to enable that.

I’ve always seen Brentford as a team who are possibly 2-3 years ahead of where we want to be. They still sell key players, but are in a position to buy decent ones to replace them.

The difference with Brentford, is also that their owner also pumps a bit of money in too. We break even mostly, without investment. Brentford still need their owner from time-to-time to inject money and also finance the new stadium.

The board always said they wanted the club to self-sufficient. Cryne also said that. And I think the majority of our fans also acknowledge that breaking even most years and maintaining Champ/L1 status is something to be proud of.

 

Usual ******** posted here. Of course people watch individual players it’s how they form an opinion. You need to get your head from up your arse and start watching the games and the players instead of spouting constant crappy. There’s little wonder there’s little agreement and even respect for your posts. It’s not rubbish to say the club wanted to sell, particularly if Brown does go he has 2 years left on his contract. Also, if the club does not want to sell players, why adopt the ‘Moneyball’ theory in the first place?

 

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Dear me. If I started a thread about what your favourite curry house was you’d post something about Mowatt not being good enough...

As for Brown - he has attributes and weaknesses that’s for sure, but his value to the team, particularly in the Struber system, has been huge and he will be difficult to replace. He isn’t a natural centre forward. It isn’t his fault he’s been asked to play there.

I see previously you’ve criticised him for ‘insisting he’s a striker’ - when has he done that? He was never a centre forward coming through the ranks and he, as far as I know, never complained when asked to play at fullback.

He’s a very good wide right player, be that a wing back in a 3-5-2, an out an out wide man in a 4-4-2 or the right side of the top in a 4-3-3. I wouldn’t play him in a front two - but Struber has consistently done so and I do not profess to know more than the gaffer. Regardless, Struber wanted him to stay, all the coaching staff did.

And as for Brown wanting to go (as a few have mentioned in this thread, not necessarily you Nudger) - how do we know he/his agent didn’t go to Dane and say ‘look, I’d like to stay, could you look at a new contract with a bit more money?’, to be told ‘no, sorry, you’ve got two years left and we’re not going to offer more just yet’ - making him feel a bit unwanted and unvalued. How much has his agent been in his ear with the money?

And just because the coaching staff wanted to keep him doesn’t mean that, perhaps, Struber hasn’t approved it, having been told that we had to sell someone - and who the options to be sold were.

Realistically if the club badly wanted the player to stay, he would be. Our modus operandi is to sell to stay afloat - I can accept that. We should be getting value for the players though, and even with his weaknesses Jacob Brown is worth a lot more than £2million in the current market. It has to be £3-£4million cash plus potential add-ons and a sell on in my view. I guess we won’t ever know.

 

Who's got the money in the current climate outside of the prem to pay that sort of money?

 

One journalist quotes £2million and most people on here accept it as gospel! It is the same every time we sell a player. West African fraudsters must have a field day in Barnsley!

 

Even when other links are shown showing different transfer amounts, they still revert back to the lowest one they've seen.

 

David Moyes whilst at Everton always said he negotiated the Stones deal for a million £s
and used to smarm over it on TV .
Most of us knew it were more like three million with add ins but he liked to make it sound as though he had an eye for a bargain probably to boost his ego and employment credentials .
I wouldn’t read too much into what Stoke are saying .
The clubs philosophy is to raise young players and develop them for the first team and maybe move them on for a profit .
It’s not in the clubs interest to sell at any price especially with two years left , Jacob is still developing imo and a big interest into his future is vital imo .

 

They don't reluctantly sell anyone at "Grove Street" they shove em out of the door at the first sign of a profit they could have done what Doncaster did when they tried to sign Whiteman and simply said NO but as usual with BFC money talks and they didnt. Get ready for more unreluctant sales in the next few weeks Mowatt Woodrow Chaplin.

 

Has Brown actually gone yet ?