R- Rate back up above 1.. now what?

Makes a lot of sense this....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...t-wading-swamp-despotism-one-muzzle-time.html

Every week Peter Hitchens does a great piece having a go at what the government are doing to us. We cannot allow it to get as bad as what the people of the wonderful city of Melbourne have been forced to do with many of their rights taken from them.

 

you aren't on your own mate, so has Harrogate and other parts of South Yorkshire

 

Do you know why I told you to eff off...

Because you know full well that Tax doesn’t work like that. Some of us will pay more than 10 quid and will be happy to do so. Some people will pay eff all or as near to it, who are on low paid jobs.

I’d love to hear your strategy for getting though this pandemic. So far you’ve said a) it’s like flu b) keep everything open because jobs are more important c) more people are dying of mental health and no cancer treatment being carried out d) kids should have been back at school, so come on, what should we do?

We’ve opened up everything as you’ve wanted all along and it’s starting to spread again. You are constantly pointing fingers at us saying we are mad and we’ve got it wrong. That’s what makes you a dripping tap, it’s monotonous *****.

 

At us? You aren't Boris Johnson, I haven't pointed a single finger at you.

And I think I've been pretty clear all along that I think more support was and is needed for the elderly and vulnerable. I've been scathing of the fact that we are not what 6-9 months into this shitshow and there hasn't been any recruitment drive for carers. Despite elderly people being with no support in march we are now approaching October and this government has made no attempt to give them the support that they will need especially in the winter.
I've been critical of the fact that there's been no attempt to increase our capacity to get food deliveries out to the vulnerable who should be isolating.

And I haven't said it's just like flu, I've said it's a virus that spreads in the same way as flu does (to simplify it) and it's a disgrace really that as a nation we have been happy to watch people die of flu our entire lives and have actually needed the government to tell us how to wash our ******* hands. That may not apply to you, you may have always been Washing them properly, staying at home in winter etc but come on don't you think it's pretty shameful that we have cared so little that we as a population have had to be shown how to wash our hands?

I've never suggested keeping EVERYTHING open. I said that in general things should be open but with much more restrictions than have ever been put in place. I have suggested many times that the big supermarkets should have been forced to remove a few aisles in order to aid with social distancing (something which a small family owned company like kda in dodworth managed to do but Tesco can't). I think that opening everything, allowing people to brush past each other with a mask on is far more dangerous than opening the same things with aisles removed to create a distance between people.

I've never said no cancer treatment is being carried out, I said that cancer treatment for many is being withheld and that is a fact not an opinion. I know it's a fact because I have family members in that exact position.

And lastly no, I didn't really realise the tax thing worked like that. When I read the post which basically said 'its just £10 tax a week each' I took it on face value and replied as such. Obviously if I'd sat and thought about it and realised the poster didn't mean what he'd written then yes I'd have realised that the rich should pay most of it

 

People keep saying we should isolate the vulnerable so the rest of us can crack on etc, but it doesn't work as simply as that.

Vulnerable shielders often live with younger people for instance, are we locking them down too then? How do these people get food, healthcare, support to them in a safe way whilst the rest of the country spreads the virus at a higher rate? We saw the death rates when everyone was in lockdown.

It is a complex situation and needs to be looked at as such. I don't like how the govt. have handled it, just to be clear.

It is getting tedious people making the same statements and offering zero solutions, though.

 

Last time I looked Boris Johnson wasn’t on here, but you have a fine old time arguing with the majority of posters on the BBS about it on a daily basis, so by proxy yes you think we are all mental.



You’ve compared it to Flu at least 50 times, which I’ve pulled you up on, on a plethora of different occasions. You’ve compared it far more descriptively than ‘it spreads like flu’, so don’t kid yourself.

 

As an aside, anybody who finds themselves arguing on the same side as Dreamboy3000 and Deetee need have a long hard look at themselves.

 

you compare it to flu all the time including here when you deny comparing it to flu. I have sympathy for some of your arguments but that isn’t a good one.

 

that’s a rabbit hole no one needs to go down. Tinfoil hats don’t suit me.

 

congrats on finding another source as useful as a marzipan dildo. “Muzzles”. **** me wait til Peter finds out about seatbelts. His brother was the thinker he’s just a grifter.

 

I compare the kind of contagious virus that kills people yes because in terms of how to stop people from dying from it it has to be compared doesn't it? I'm pretty sure sage and the government and who will have looked at the similarities with flu when coming up with action plans. It doesn't mean it's identical, it doesn't mean flu is anywhere near as contagious or anything like that but comparisons can be drawn, similarities do exist and lessons can definitely be learnt.

It's completely barmy to say 'this kills more than flu so we will pretend flu doesn't exist as nothing can be learnt from it'.

So yes I've made comparisons in that way I'll admit that but not in a way that plays down covid-19. I've never said it's JUST flu or said don't worry about it it's no worse than flu. All along I've said this is a horrible virus and any comparisons I've made have been to say just look how selfish we've all been in the past. Am I wrong to say that?

 

60k in UK with long Covid, 300k with symptoms which lasted longer than a month. Long Covid still not being taken seriously by government.

Key difference between this and the flu, Covid kills and makes healthy folk of all ages disabled. Big question will long Covid be legally defined as a disability? Under the Equality Act definitions it could be but only after a 12 month period of life limiting symptoms.

Next question will there be an Equality Act and Human Rights act this time next year?

 

They will be looking at similar strains of diseases for sure but Flu won’t be one of them. Much more likely to be comparing it with other SARS viruses so it’s not a valid comparison and does seem an attempt to downplay it’s seriousness. I read an epidemiologist the other day trying to explain why they would not look at flu type viruses as a comparator and it’s basically around infectiousness and where it attacks the body.

 

Disability and claims for related benefits currently being looked at. As for ‘next question’ Yes, but not as we know it.

 

Well thankyou for the reasoned response and explanation too. I promise you though that I've never attempted to downplay it and apologise if it's come across that way. Every time I've mentioned flu my intention has been the opposite, to point out the seriousness of flu not the triviality of covid

 

Given the impact it’s having on all our lives it’s easy to take offence and think we all have on occasions. I know when the missis was seconded onto a CV19 ward and through work I was organising temp morgues I know I lost perspective myself but always good to talk things out.

 

There'll be a devious piece of crap written by Demonic Cummings claiming to be a Human Rights Act but giving him the right to erode our freedoms as he sees fit - he's already started doing it in the name of Covid - whilst giving himself and his ilk the ability to do whatever they like. He's already started on that too.

 

Another problem is certain section of those in a vulnerable group based on age don't actually want to protect themselves if it means isolation.

 

This from the bloke who posted the message that ‘300 children per day will die of Covid from next week’.

 

Most schools in the UK reopened last week - the cases have been going up for two weeks - those people caught it around a week before that - nothing to do with schools opening whatsoever.