Would the Council let us build a new stadium?

Discussion in 'Bulletin Board' started by royston tyke, Sep 17, 2020.

  1. roy

    royston tyke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 25, 2008
    Messages:
    1,231
    Likes Received:
    1,278
    Location:
    Monk Bretton, Barnsley, United Kingdom
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Don’t know if this has been mentioned but seen as the club are “threatening” to move away from Oakwell in the short term.......how does this leave us with playing in Barnsley going forward?

    With the council owning 50% of the ground, should our owners want to build us a shiny new stadium in a different location, would the council allow this due to having an ongoing interest in Oakwell?

    All seem pretty silly to me as we either play at Oakwell or we move to a different town and I for one wouldn’t be very happy at any extra travelling.
     
  2. nezbfc

    nezbfc Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2005
    Messages:
    11,069
    Likes Received:
    6,810
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Maybe the threat to move for now is only because we cant have fans in the ground anyway.
     
  3. Gordon Owen

    Gordon Owen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2009
    Messages:
    21,215
    Likes Received:
    11,251
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Tarn, sithi
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Of course, they love selling land - although the prime spot behind the Toby Cavery has now been built on. Plenty of land around the proposed 37a junction.
     
  4. Mid

    Mido Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2006
    Messages:
    12,027
    Likes Received:
    7,384
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    In theory it could be a win-win for them. The council sells BFC a plot of land for them to build on, whilst keeping 50% of the land that Oakwell sits on where they could knock Oakwell down and build a massive housing estate. I'm not for one second saying that's their intention, but they could in theory.
     
  5. Dragon Tyke

    Dragon Tyke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2011
    Messages:
    18,566
    Likes Received:
    5,655
    Location:
    Saint Athan
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    thing is, the consortium own the the football club. They could easily do am MK Dons scenario and move it to somewhere that would allow a new stadium to be built, and like we saw with the Wimbledon/MK Dons affair.....that could be anywhere. Plenty of large towns about without a top flight football club.
     
  6. Fre

    Freddiel Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2017
    Messages:
    1,323
    Likes Received:
    1,953
    Gender:
    Male
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    They couldn’t refuse a planning application on that basis. Just like they couldn’t refuse the application from the owners of the Alhambra to extend the shopping centre and build a cinema, despite the council building one themselves (ultimately the Alhambra one was cancelled due to the council development but, it was still approved).

    The plan for most of that land has already been determined. 1700 houses, small shops, a primary school, and warehousing. Unless they could agree to sell a parcel of the land for a stadium instead of warehouse units.

    www.barnsleywest.co.uk
     
  7. Fre

    Freddiel Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2017
    Messages:
    1,323
    Likes Received:
    1,953
    Gender:
    Male
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    After the MK Dons/Wimbledon fiasco I don’t think this will ever be allowed again. Pretty sure the EFL wouldn’t approve it so it’s a non-starter.
     
  8. Gordon Owen

    Gordon Owen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2009
    Messages:
    21,215
    Likes Received:
    11,251
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Tarn, sithi
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    There's land at the other side. That will increase our towns population and ideally positioned for young upcoming supporters to go and watch Leeds because we will do **** all marketing to try and attract new fans.
     
    Stephen Dawson likes this.
  9. churtonred

    churtonred Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2011
    Messages:
    11,294
    Likes Received:
    18,406
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Dingle. No, really!
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    What's top flight got to do with it?
    Do we move to Bolton and expect all their fans to start watching the newly installed Bolton Reds?
    Any town that is capable of supporting a club the size that BFC currently is already has a club.
    There are very few Milton Keynes around and even that experiment hasn't actually worked.
     
    Redhelen likes this.
  10. Ome

    Omen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2005
    Messages:
    7,597
    Likes Received:
    1,111
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    why build a complete new one when 3 sides are already new - id hate a reebok/huddersfield type stadium
     
  11. Fre

    Freddiel Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2017
    Messages:
    1,323
    Likes Received:
    1,953
    Gender:
    Male
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    I guess it depends who owns that land and whether they’re willing to sell.
     
  12. Ome

    Omen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2005
    Messages:
    7,597
    Likes Received:
    1,111
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    they brought in the new ruling to prevent that exact scenario.
     
    Freddiel likes this.
  13. Dragon Tyke

    Dragon Tyke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2011
    Messages:
    18,566
    Likes Received:
    5,655
    Location:
    Saint Athan
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    let's hope so .
     
  14. Dragon Tyke

    Dragon Tyke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2011
    Messages:
    18,566
    Likes Received:
    5,655
    Location:
    Saint Athan
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    I did not know this..... but thanks.
     
  15. Gordon Owen

    Gordon Owen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2009
    Messages:
    21,215
    Likes Received:
    11,251
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Tarn, sithi
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    They'll want to use it 7 days a week and maximise revenue. Oakwell is stuck in a bad place, it may be good for us - a 10 min walk from the centre but its built at the end of a dead end, away from busy carriageways and exposure. Thats why they built the Ibis where it is, situated between two major cities so their meeting rooms and conference facilities are busy, visible from the M1 and easy for commuting.
     
  16. Dragon Tyke

    Dragon Tyke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2011
    Messages:
    18,566
    Likes Received:
    5,655
    Location:
    Saint Athan
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Ibis ?
     
  17. Redhelen

    Redhelen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2018
    Messages:
    38,024
    Likes Received:
    44,546
    Gender:
    Female
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    No need for meeting rooms in this COVID zoom call wfh world.
     
  18. Prince of Risborough

    Prince of Risborough Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2011
    Messages:
    15,354
    Likes Received:
    11,481
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Dunnington, East of York
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Similar situation to Adams Park, Wycombe, although their ground is on a much smaller scale. It looks like it is in a picturesque location viewed from the camera gantries, with the Chiltern Hills surrounding it. In reality though it is several miles out of town and at the end of an industrial estate. One way in, one way out. They could never cope with big crowds on a regular basis. Oakwell is also at the end of a cul-de-sac (sort of) but at least it is within walking distance for thousands of people. I know there are issues getting in and out of the car park on busy days but these would still be there even if we had an out of town stadium. Look at the fiasco at Glanford Park for example. It takes forever to get out of there, even when the crowd is around 4,000.
     
  19. Fre

    Freddiel Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2017
    Messages:
    1,323
    Likes Received:
    1,953
    Gender:
    Male
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    It would be crazy to build a new stadium without appropriate transport links. A stadium near a motorway would be great for travelling by car, but you’d also want it to be near an existing railway station. Travelling by car doesn’t support active travel so there’s no way you’d get planning approval for something that doesn’t include public transport and cycling provisions. The problem with infrastructure in this country is funding. To build a new road to solve capacity issues on another you have to fund it. The easiest way local authorities get funding is to release pockets of land near the new road that can be developed. Once the development is built the new road is just as busy as the old one. That’s why a lot of modern stadiums end up on retail parks or attached to industrial estates. We’ll be bypassing bypasses before we know it.
     
  20. Fre

    Freddiel Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2017
    Messages:
    1,323
    Likes Received:
    1,953
    Gender:
    Male
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    The hotel behind Toby Carvery.
     

Share This Page