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The goal should be to remove community transmission, in my opinion. That should have been the goal from the start.

Stop as many people as possible from getting it in the first place and then long-term effects are less of a worry.

By the way, early research suggests that it’s a decent % of sufferers (even asymptomatic ‘sufferers’) that are showing signs of permanent damage to vital organs. Allowing it to spread should never have been accepted. Herd Immunity is and was ******* ridiculous as a ‘strategy’.

 

The under 60 vulnerables matter too.

 

Just one example of the many different health problems that have been tossed to the side to concentrate on this virus over 99% of people have survived......

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12691716/lung-cancer-forgotten-disease-covid-19-pandemic/

The amount of deaths in the UK due to not being able to be seen sooner for an health problem will in the years to come be an higher total than the lives lost to Covid in the UK. Shield those at high risk like the elderly and people with underlying health conditions. Use the wasted furlough cash to hire tens of thousands of new carers to look after them. Get shut of all restrictions to go back to normal life. Those at high risk go out and about outside at their own risk. Young people such as uni students can spread it amongst themselves and take responsibility for their actions if they decide to visit their grandparents.

 

Like wearing a mask and keeping our distance?

except me wearing a mask isn’t for my benefit, it’s for yours. So if all the old and infirm wear mask and socially distance; they’ll be at risk from all the younger people not wearing a mask and not social distancing. It’s not even complicated.

should we put the old people in camps for their own safety? So the young uns can live freely.

 

Come on, let’s agree to stop the daft reductive stuff now on both sides, or I’m just going to come back with ‘no, we should lock everyone up in their own homes forever to keep the elderly safe‘.

 

Thanks - I don’t agree but I do honestly appreciate the response.

Another question - do you think no community transmission is a feasible ambition? I honestly don’t think it is unless the whole world did a concerted lockdown effort at exactly the same time?

 

Wearing masks and social distancing doesn't have to be abandoned though does it? I'm suggesting we don't necessarily need to go in to a lockdown again, are follow the North East where you can't see anyone outside your own household. The point is in lockdown those at risk can't do anything either. So is the solution to say everyone can't do anything, or those at risk will be assisted to shield or stringently social distance if they chose to.

For what it's worth I probably follow the government guidance more than my parents who are over 60 and my auntie who is high risk and was shielding. People have to make their own personal decisions on that.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society...s-breast-reconstructions-delayed-due-to-covid

The telling part of the article is.......

It's awful and so wrong. They have been through enough and even after beating cancer they have to wait God knows how long for more surgery. This cannot be allowed to happen if we have another national lockdown, although Boris seems to have that many targeted regional lockdowns that we are heading to a national lockdown by default. They need to keep hospitals free of Covid patients so people on waiting lists can be seen and save Covid patients for the Nightingale hospitals.

 

I'm not sure anybody is a 'lockdowner', just some feel that it is a virus that should be taken seriously, and suppressed as much as possible. As one of those people, these are things that I would like to see;

- Government to stop cherry picking stats to try and convince us that it's contact tracing is working. E.g. they say 80% of contacts were reached, but we don't know how long it took, or if they were reached by the national scheme or after local authorities took over
- Reporting on the following;

• % of test results returned within 24 hours
• % of contacts of +ve cases reached within 48/72 hours
• % of %ve cases already isolating after being reached by test & trace

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Would also like to see things like resources diverted from national test & trace to local, and funds to be made available for those asked to isolate, therefore unable to work.

Regular testing at schools. Testing to allow protection of non-covid wards in hospitals and care homes.

A second lockdown will be because of failure to do the above.

 

I think so. I’d have locked down fully for 3-4 weeks. By fully I mean no business open that cannot work from home or essential. Essential meaning actually essential, not the mile long list the government came up with. No cars on the road without a very good reason (essential worker, medical emergency etc)

Then test everybody that comes into the country (these mythical 20 minute tests should help with that) and quarantine them properly until the test result comes in. HGV drivers etc would be exempt, but I’d require them to have an app on their phone that tracks where they are in the country, along with who they come in contact with, who would subsequently be tested. This app would also link into the app made for the British citizens that should have come out months ago when Google and Apple first implemented the technology.

 

And no foreign travel, for anyone, in or out, indefinitely I presume? Presumably you’d just accept the death of the airline and travel agency industries as a necessary by-product? (Not criticising, genuinely asking)

 

As I said, test everyone coming into the country and enforced quarantine until test result is negative. That applies to people coming back from holiday and visitors to the country

 

And airport taxi businesses and catering support for the airport and airport hotels and cleaners and professional firms who provide services to the businesses and..and ... and... etc threads touching threads

 

I can't imagine it's anything at all to do with the government in power not wanting to restrict their core voters more than any others but I've been fascinated that this hasn't been a more age based rollout.

IE you're under 30, crack on. Right - all good - under 40s, your turn. And in essence allow the country to be turned back on by those who aren't really at risk.

 

https://metro.co.uk/2020/09/18/new-...d-in-london-as-infections-rise-13290314/?ito=

Khan has cancelled NYE already. It's going to be odd London seeing in the new year without fireworks.

 

Leeds these days, but yes its all good bar the obvious! Take care!

 

Seems early at first glance, but then you remember it’s only 3 months and it will take a lot of planning. Probably best to cancel in all honesty

 

https://kirkleestogether.co.uk/2020...ions-are-back-in-place-for-the-whole-kirklees

More restrictions over here oh joy. We have only been out of them a couple of weeks and the whole of Kirklees gets put together when some parts have little sign of covid and you can live an hour away from the bad parts of Kirklees. My own MP Mark Eastwood is quiet on Twitter about it so far, but I don't expect much from the guy who tweeted his support for his boss wanting to break international law.