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Cancer has been around for centuries and we don't bat an eyelid when hundreds still die every single day. Covid 19 has been around less than a year and kills far less people. Healthcare has a much better control on deaths of something far less known. 4 days in a row of hospital admissions dropping won't be mentioned in the MSM because they are obsessing over the infections calling it the biggest day ever when it's only because at the true peak the testing wasn't there. Back in April if the testing available now was around it could have been 100000 a day being found.

 

Somewhere around 30% of the adult population of the UK is in a higher-risk category, due to age or existing medical conditions (obesity, diabetes, cancer diagnosis, etc). Unless you can find a way to run the economy fully with only 70% actively contributing to it then it is going to collapse.

 

https://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com/2020/09/the-thing-about-sweden-and-coronavirus.html

 

Wish we were more like Scandinavia with Norway moving more towards the Swedish way.

 

You don't catch cancer by sharing the same air, or touching the same surfaces as another sufferer who may not know they are infectious.

There are debates to be had around lockdowns, restrictions etc... but this comparison isn't valid.

 

Given that you have included a chart attributed to the ONS, I would assume that the fact you state is true. But the question is, how likely is it that the covid deaths will remain at those current low levels, with things going as they are? The Greater Manchester press conference today highlighted an increase in people in ICU this week, around a 46% increase. Nowhere near the levels of the peak, but still concerning.

Some people are suggesting that the least vulnerable should go about normal lives, but protect the vulnerable. Trouble with that is, how do you do that without putting the elderly under house arrest for 6 months? What do you do about those people currently managing their health conditions such as diabetes, and are currently working? Other large swathes that the data from the peak suggests are vulnerable (BAME or obese people).

The lockdown in March suppressed the virus enough and brought the government time to come up with a plan to be able to 'live with the virus', and they failed miserably. Result is we now have a series of restrictions that are just enough to wreck businesses, but not enough to drive infection rates down.

Best thing that can happen is a new PM and cabinet, who might be able to provide clear messaging, create a proper plan and regain some credibility, which means public would be more likely to follow guidance. That wont happen sadly. We'll end up in another full lockdown.

 

The issue with deaths caused by pneumonia is it may have set in due to having Covid weeks (untested) or months prior. I had Covid very early and it was the pneumonia type symptoms (now classed as long covid) which made me really poorly weeks and months later. The question is are there more pneumonia and virus (flu) related deaths than last year? If that is the case then there must be an underlying reason which could be due to secondary complications resulting from Covid.

 

Pneumonia is commonly the final cause of death in many circumstances and, whilst I can't quote any data without spending time scouring the medical and Radiology journals I read at work, it's logical that a large proportion of patients who have died during the pandemic will have ultimately been finished off by pneumonia. It's a silent killer for the elderly and infirm, it's one reason why hospitals are so keen to get elderly patients who fracture their hips back weight bearing and walking quickly. The risk of death from pneumonia following hip fracture, caused by being bed ridden and immobile, is significant and results from fluid slowly building up in the lungs that normal mobility helps keep clear by simple things such as coughing. You'll often see physiotherapists on Orthopaedic wards not just for getting people walking but also working on their chests whilst they can't get around.

I'm not sure about testing at hospitals. As far as I know in Leeds and Sheffield, where me and the wife work, all patients admitted to hospital or booked for surgery and other procedures are tested but not always the case for outpatient visits.

 

Boris and the mad scientists must be the only people in the country that couldn,t predict this, instead of going out 6 till 12, they now go out 4 till 10, so they,re just as pissed but now they have another 2 hrs to go at in each others houses, shrewd move that..

 

Add in those who live with or care for the 30% as well. People are grasping for easy answers when there just aren’t any.

 

It's almost as if someone has applied intelligence and science to that, instead of fc*kwittedness. But apparently, if you're a fc*wit, and hello people of this BBS, you genuinely believe your fc*kwitted opinion is just as valid as someone who actually knows what they're talking about. You genuinely believe that. Here's the thing, it doesn't.

 

We shouldn't be in the situation we are in. Boris makes things up as this goes along. He doesn't open up to the country and tell restricted areas what numbers they need to get down to so restrictions can be relaxed. Everyone is kept in the dark with no idea of the end game.

 

So, potentially the large number of people dying of pneumonia and influenza (the figures above seem higher than average), could be people contracting COVID but dying more than 28 days after the positive test? Could this be the government "fudging" the figures to make them look good for COVID?

 

Look carefully or you might not see the covid slice of the chart.

 

There is only you and maybe a couple of others here who could try and put a ludicrous spin on those figures and say those deaths are down to Covid.
They have obviously been tested for Covid when they died and were negative.
there were around 2000/ 3000 dying every week of flu and pneumonia from the start of the year months before there was even one Covid death.
They started "Fudging" the numbers around a month ago and strangely enough the weekly figures look pretty much " Exactly" the same before and after FudgeGate
which kinda blows your theory/agenda you keep pushing into the weeds.

Sure you and the others wont be happy until the country's on its knees if it isn't already , nobody's got a job, the country's bankrupt and there's fighting on the streets.

 

Scoff washes his food shopping....

 

You think you can ‘end this pandemic in 7 days’ by stopping all testing. ‘It’s easy’ apparently...