3 managers quit for same reason

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  1. Old

    Old Gimmer Well-Known Member

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    OK
     
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    It’s completely irrelevant how managers do at other clubs after leaving us.

    There’s very few managers who either do well everywhere or bad everywhere.

    Basically when you get one that does well for your club then you should do your best to keep him happy.

    All of them made it clear what they wanted & didn’t get it. It’s easy to say ignore them & work within a budget but when you fall out with them you end up having to pay money to sack them & then hire a replacement & then sell players who don’t fit into the new managers plans (normally at a loss) & then pay to sign players that do or who the club rate so you end up spending more anyway.

    I’m not expecting us to go full David Flitcroft & give good contracts to a load of players who have the same agent as him & to take the players to fancy training facilities but we’ve surely got to do more to keep managers who’ve done well for us.
     
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    Not one of em quit. If there wasn’t another lucrative offer on the table. ( Stendel ended up in the position of where there was no return,) . I would then like to know which. If any, of the 3 would quit.?
    Not defending the board. Just trying to add a bit of perspective.
     
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    Three managers quit for the same reason?

    None of them quit. Two left after other clubs paid release clauses for them - and the other was sacked
     
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    Didn't Robins leave for similar reason too? Also Hill had made the same sort of statements too.
     
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    This makes your point invalid in my opinion.
     
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    To be fair to the board they have been consistent in their approach.

    Last 3 manager situations very different. Struber taking no responsibility for poor start to the season. He cannot say board did not back him bringing Sollbauer, Ludwig, Ritzmaier, Schmitt, and Freiser to the club.

    Like most fans I am frustrated. I want to see us kick on and invest in handful of good Championship quality players. We have avoided loans under the new owners but perhaps this might be only way we can add quality needed without breaking bank who can make difference and be influence on current squad e.g. Matty James.

    Danny Drinkwater seems like pie in the sky suggestion, but he has lost his way and needs to play. His Chelsea move hasn't worked out, nor did loan moves to villa or Burnley. This season he hasn't got a squad number. He needs to drop down a level and play games to get career back on track. Where better than a club he knows, fans adored him, and he will be star player. All depends if he or Chelsea willing to drop fees/salary contribution to allow this to happen.

    As for a manager. I love names such as Eddie Howe and Paul Cook being linked but big concern I have is that they would also see us as a stepping stone. I question loyalty if suitors came in after any form of success. What we need is consistency and a long term appointment.
     
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    I agree. It makes no difference if we are owned by a local millionaire or a consortium of international alleged billionaires. The club should continue to live within its means.

    Far too many on this forum want the board to start spending their money rather than the club’s.

    We’ve seen too many examples at other clubs as to what happens when either the owner runs out of money or decides to stop pumping in the money. The wheels have fallen off for several so far and will for many more over the coming years.

    What the board need to do though is get some proper sponsorship and corporate partnerships sorted. The Becketts and a local ropey housing company aren’t the bigger, international sponsors they eluded to attracting. They do have the ability to make the club generate more of its own money - that should be done. Unfortunately they seem more interested in their other projects, particularly in Belgium.
     
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    Exactly, how are they " growing " the club? You would think with their contacts as worldwide businessmen sponsorship would be an easy thing to tackle.
     
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    Come man the barbarian??
     
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    My wife's cheated on me three times but it was o.k because I have a pint with the milkman, window cleaner and binman and they're all good lads. Anybody else had a dabble though and I'd be incensed.
     
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    What if he was local? Would it be acceptable then?
     
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    I’m afraid you’re painting far too rosier a picture of the Board’s actions!!

    It’s not that they have failed to invest in the Club (which they clearly haven’t) it’s that their football decisions on and off the pitch have been so bad. From the gross underselling of players for their true value to their extraordinary communication skills. The crassness of decision making goes on and on.

    We’re four games into the season and we’re in turmoil - again. It’s like watching the sporting version of the Trump Administration.
     
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    Its bizarre. Our finances can't be that bad. Likes of millwall and luton of course manage to get more experienced players than us. Aint it 4MIL loss if we go down? We might aswell spend that and try to stay up.
     
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    Can it be both? Could it be a case that our board need to do better and at the same time each of those managers could have done better in certain situations as well?

    I think there's been failings all round to be honest. Which is why we are where we are. At the point that the board and the Head Coach click in tandem we could be on to something.
     
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    However didn,t Hecky say he would have gone at that point to anyone who offered him a way out of BFC as he was that p/ssed off with the current board.
     
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    I thought it had our promotion season. Conway schmoozing with fans.Then I rewatched the tykes tv interview and realised that the board had no intention of signing experience and pushing on.

    Tbh I'm struggling to see a coach clicking, anyone with ambition will get frustrated and anyone without presumably wont achieve much?
     
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    Depends on what type of ambition it is. For some it's to continuously move up the ranks in terms of job 'stature' to get to where they want to be, and I see a foreign manager more likely to feel this way and think short term. For others it could be understanding that we have one of the lowest budgets in the league, in a division where clubs are chucking £10m transfer fees and £50k a week wages around, but he sees sense in the plan, wants to take on the challenge, and fully commits to taking it on. Similar to Gareth Ainsworth maybe at Wycombe?

    I'm not naive enough to think that it isn't as simplistic as the above. But those making out we're not a really good appointment for someone needs to step outside the Oakwell bubble. Season ticket sales, the division we're in, some of the players we have, and the facilities at Oakwell (plus only four games in to the season) means it's an excellent opportunity for someone to come in and make a difference where the first objective is finish above Wednesday, Wycombe and one other.
     
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    Former CEO's Ben Mansford and GG had good relationship with fans and club/fans were united. I am sure Dane Murphy is decent bloke and working hard for BFC, but he doesn't have relationship his predecessors did or communicate with fans and media as they did. They loved the spotlight, media and PR. They were good at it and raise profile of the club. In terms of transfers they also got deals over the line. Had they been in role now, I firmly believe fans and the club would be so divided.

    As for Dane, I thought his summary last week week addressing key issues on home page was good. Exactly whats needed and something I would like to see at least weekly, until isues resolved. Silence creates anxiety, leads to speculation, and fans losing confidence and trust. Plus rather from the horses mouth rely on rumour mill and paper talk.

    If Eddie Howe joins as new manager, we sign Ben Whiteman, along with Kieron Freeman, Andre Green and Lawrie Shankland. I'd get Dane Murphy on the back of my shirt, but I'd still want better comms going forward.

    In summary Dane, open thi gob! and get thi cheque book art!
     
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    But we couldn't keep.hold of Hecky and he was a Barnsley fan. I'm not sure of who runs Wycombe and their relationship with Ainsworth but in all honesty I cant see our board having any sort of good relationship with a manager, they'd be too quick to throw him under the bus. An American coach perhaps?
     

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