10pm Curfew

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  1. Wat

    Watcher_Of_The_Skies Well-Known Member

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    Tax the billionaires until their pips squeak.
     
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    We all know the problem is brats that go to school and university not wearing masks because it messes with their make-up.
     
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    Zahawi took a break from touching up waitresses to claim this morning that Whitty presented that 30% of cases emanated from hospitality.

    Liars.
     
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    We're heading for a revolt. It's obvious that this is just becoming prohibition.
     
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    So the version of the slide they released to the press - they removed the bit about exluding education and work etc


    Its as if they are totally incapable of telling the truth on anything

    Another thing as pointed out in the thread I nicked that tweet from there is small print that states this is the breakdown of the 3rd level groups so the government is ignoring 1st and 2nd level groups - also they have aggregated shopping holidays eating out etc into one group
    Finally look at the sample size 698 cases

    In a previous job I used to manage operations and had to present data to clients on equipment failures and explain programs to improve
    If I had put up a slide ignoring the biggest contributers to failures (90%) and said we were focussing all our efforts on the biggest of the remaining 10% ie 3 percent of all fails Id have been kicked out so fast my feet wouldnt have touched the floor and my Boss would have had a call before I even got to the car.
    If it was anyone else I wouldnt believe they had the nerve. I wouldnt put it past this lot to put 30% of Covid infections are caused by pubs on a Bus
     
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    Taiwan has a population slightly smaller than Australia in a land area over 200 times smaller. They are 100 miles from China and get over 40% of their imports directly from there. Their economy has *grown* this year.

    Australia has gone into its first recession for 30 years with a 7% fall in GDP (ours is currently 9%), but most of its exports are minerals, which are unaffected by COVID due to the slow shipping times for delivery. Once they have dealt with community transmission and the economy opens up the major hit area is tourism, which will be about 3% and a decent chunk of that is from New Zealand which they are opening up to (and vice versa). The national debt of Australia is ~45% of GDP (compared with the UK at over 100).

    New Zealand has had a larger fall in GDP (but still less than the UK), but it is in an even better position that Australia with debt to GDP around 30%.

    In short, all three countries are in much better place than the UK. But none of them are going to go bankrupt - our debt to GDP was over 250% at the end of WW2.
     
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    They're really not. My girlfriend lives in Australia and I speak to her every day. My sister's boyfriend is a kiwi and now lives with my dad as they were both caught in Asia when Covid-19 hit. I have no prospect of seeing my girlfriend again. He has no prospect of seeing his family again. Citizens of both countries are littered around the globe unable to return home. I don't need figures to tell me what's happening, I know what's happening.
     
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    The graph for this week shows a decrease from the one I posted for last week with hospitality infections. Bojo needs to keep the pubs and restaurants open and we need to support them by visiting.

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    Not sure where you get the decrease from - wasnt it 3% last week and still 3% this week or do I miss something - Other has increased though as have workplace but education and care homes are both down a bit. Still nothing in there to support destroying the hospitality industry
     
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    Down a percent.

    http://barnsleyfc.org.uk/threads/10pm-curfew.295755/page-6#post-2560590
     
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    Feel for you mate. Haven't seen my girlfriend since the end of February, she might get over here in November, but chances of me going to the US this year are slim.

    The continued closure of the borders in the US is so political though, like with everything, that they might open up again straight after the election. Some Democrat states have planned for schools to return the week after the election already - even though they could open now.

    I'm surprised you haven't realised that knowing people who are living and experiencing a country's challenges isn't valid against the stats they can find on a Google search.
     
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    Lies, lies, lies. Tried to fix the data to support their awful decision making but have had to admit they have zero evidence to back it up.



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    Loads - in fact I had this very argument with my Dad recently - He hasnt been in a pub since Covid and still thinks they are the same as before with tables crammed together and crowds gathering at the bar etc
    When I pointed out the changes since covid - distancing applied tables cleaned between customers and that only around 3% of cases can be traced to bars and restaurants etc etc he just shrugged and said its still going to be transmitted because you are all in the same room and those figures arent right.
    There are loads of people - some posting on here who have decided that Pubs are rife with covid infections and dont believe any evidence to the contrary - they just know that that evidence is wrong.

    They are the people that the goverment is pandering to - They wont do anything about education, non leasure workplaces or care homes so to be seen to be doing something they do something meaningless and a sizeable group applaud them for doing the sensible thing
     
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    And the incident by ethnicity.... most of whom dont drink!
     
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    I witnessed, first hand, the start of the worldwide rush on toilet rolls. I was in Coles in Broadway, a supermarket in a shopping centre in Glebe, Sydney, in early March, and the place suddenly went mental as people stuffed their trollies with toilet rolls and fought in the aisles. There hadn't been a single previous report of this behaviour, but it hit Twitter and spread through the City and then the country. I flew back a few days later and was telling the story, laughing. And then it began happening here.

    I haven't seen my girlfriend since then. I should have been going again this month. She should have been coming over here for an extended stay over Christmas and New Year. Neither can happen, the borders are closed, with no end date.

    The backpackers are gone from Australia, or stranded there, illegal immigrants as their visas have expired but there is no way out and they're not allowed to work. They have to beg for money. And the Australians who were abroad are in exactly the same situation, hundreds of thousands of them, stranded with no money and no route home.

    Australia produces a lot of food. They're more self-sufficient than we are, but they rely on young people from other countries working on farms to extend their visas. Food is rotting in the fields. And it's rotting on the docks, both exports and imports. You can't keep Covid out and continue to trade.

    There are many sectors in Australia that rely heavily on migrant workers to plug the gap of a tiny population. It's very difficult to get into Australia if you don't have desirable skills, but if you have it's very attractive. Their health system would collapse without foreign nationals. That supply has stopped. And the majority of those that remain are from countries with strong family ties, people who regularly visit home, who are no longer allowed to do so. At the first chance they're leaving and not going back.

    Australia shuts down for a month around Christmas. Being there in late December and January is weird as all the restaurants and cafes are closed. The Asian restaurants there are just to die for and there's so many of them and it's so cheap and such high quality. But they all shut for a month because everyone goes home to see their families.

    Australia is an immigrant nation. And a new one. Most people there have strong family ties with relations oversees. People travel back and forth, but no more. Working away when you can return home is very appealing. But when you can't...

    The tourist industry, the airline industry are dead. Not mothballed, gone and not coming back. The hospitality industry in the tourist hotspots are gone. Whole swathes of the city are empty. Unemployment is sky rocketing and you really don't want to be unemployed in Australia. You are scum if you require any sort of handout and you cannot exist on it.

    Australia has largely kept out Covid but it's the worst defeat they've ever suffered because there is no way back without consciously letting it in and that's not a political decision anyone wants to make, but meanwhile they're imploding. I don't know what back of a *** packet economics is supposed to prove, but it's so far away from human experience that I find it bewildering it can be considered a legitimate argument.
     
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    It shows 698 clusters. "This represents early analysis of initial indications of backward contact tracing data in which 698 possible clusters were identified...The table summarises all of the settings and events reported in common by two or more confirmed cases".
     

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