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Where the story came from is a different conversation and is exactly why I put if you believe.
I was commenting on you using those examples and saying they are double standards,when clearly using those 2 examples it’s not.

 

You need to explain this to me. As an employee under contract are you stating that I’m in breach of contract if I approach another employer?

I’m not trying to be clever just wanting to know if this is the case.

 

No it’s not in breach, but trying to take people with you whilst still employed would definitely be and could be construed as gross misconduct.
Again different question to what you originally put, keeping tabs is different to having employment talks.
“Keeping tabs on industry rivals is absolutely fine and standard practice but for a manager to do the same is utter treason and breach of contract.“

 

Thanks for the reply. Given none of us know what went on, unless somebody has inside information , we will never know the truth.

As a supplementary question, would it be normal for an employee to commit gross misconduct but for the employer to ignore this for a number of months?

 

As I said if you believe.
You used Stendel and his alleged contact as an example of double standards not me. I pointed out someone discussing a job opportunity is not keeping tabs as you suggested.

In answer to your question, it would depend on circumstances, the company and the individual, I have seen it where it has been ‘kept back’ and have seen where it has resulted in instant dismissal.

 

I knew nothing about any of that.

 

All good points. I wonder where the line is drawn when the transgression occurs between keeping tabs and a specific employment conversation?

 

I depends on the situation, but also the employee. I have known in the past the same offence (I won't tell you what it was but it was a very severe breach of company policy) done by two different employees at different times. One was put on gardening leave and was subsequently sacked and the other was just allowed to carry on his normal duties. Double standards but that's what happened

 

If the employer knew of a Gross misconduct Incident why would they ignore it. They are letting themselves in for all sorts of trouble if they chose to bring it up much later. Do you mean employer or a manager who works for the company.
Does the person that committed gross misconduct have something that they could prove/have something on the superior/employer. That’s more than likely the reason a blind eye is turned.
If the place is unionised the rep would rip shreds if the incident was ignored and then brought up at a much later date.
Would have to know more than you mention.
So many ifs. buts and whys with that.

 

I would imagine in most cases it will depend on the individual, but I think anyone would agree if an individual had a conversation with a competitor and after that conversation employee then tried to entice other employees to leave with them that would be more than keeping tabs.
In a hypothetical example of course.

 

Sounds like another, got something on the one who deals with the case. Another reason to be in a union. Once a precedent has been set for the same offence. It can influence an outcome.
And b4 anyone says not everyone’s in a union. I get that. But if you are in a company that recognises unions. Get in one Don’t rely on other members to fight the battles for union and non union members. Picking up the rewards they achieve.
If the company doesn’t recognise unions. Go see an employee solicitor.. Many cases have been won in court that way.

 

Salford City have sacked manager Graham Alexander and appointed Paul Scholes as his
interim successor. Could be a risk, but with a 24 year playing career and a nine year stint managing
Preston, Fleetwood, Scunthorpe and Salford, he might be just the type of experienced coach that
we need at this particular time to stabilise us in the Championship.

 

Believe it or not the employee who was subsequently sacked was our Union Rep. He was made an example of as the company wanted to get rid of the "bad egg". There was an outcry at work and all union members "worked to rule" but basically we got told to "get on with it" by the company

 

Could depend on the reasons behind the offence?
Eg, we had two people caught stealing 1 Was a guy who had been a model employee for 7 years and had gotten himself into financial problems at home(payday loans etc), he got a final warning, made to pay the money back over time and a staff loan to get out of the pay day loan scenario. The other guy had a bad attitude generally towards work, was sacked.

 

Once got told a person I worked with had a bad attitude to work and was sacked on another accusation , I always suspected the real reason was his face didn’t fit as I knew others who had kept their jobs for far worse imo .

 

It’s not the fact the union rep was sacked. But the fact the other guy wasn’t too. Difficult one I admit. Tis one i’d have to liaise with the full time rep.
I’m afraid because of Covid some companies will take advantage of the situation. Fire and Re-Hire seems to be the order of the day. Eg Centrica ( British Gas) and a race to the bottom on wages. All our ancestors fought for gone up in smoke. And We know which side of the fence the Tories will sit on. Will put us back 100 yrs. One of My biggest fears of Brexit. British workers rights will be decimated by these tories. Already trying to remove polices on worker’s rights set by the EC.
Folk need to wake up and smell the coffee. Some of the alright jacks. ( not wishing owt on em) Will be suffering job losses. And finding out how the lower paid in society live.

 

You are of course correct, this often happens, I would say though in this instance though he was bad news, to the extent when he left, we got various phone calls thanking us from other employees, telling us stuff he was doing that we weren’t aware of(remote based workforce).

 

Nowts perfect mate. But companies that don’t recognise unions or flout the laws will become the norm. Unless people fight.

 

Yep , I always get told by some on here that it’s our generations fault (boomers ) as we’ve voted in govts over the years and list rights that the war generation helped put into place .
My argument was that we fought for every inch of our rights some which were heavily enhanced after the war generation because we fought for it DESPITE the elected govt .
Of course I was told I was wrong but I know I wasn’t .
Rights have to be win and defended and my generation defended them rigorously .
There’s no fight in a lot of younguns these days and prefer to blame past generations instead of stop moaning and get up off their knees ,
It’s a continuous fight .
I’ve lost count of picket lines , demonstrations and Union meetings I’ve been to over years and every one was because of an attack by the people in power, don’t matter what govts in power elected or not workers rights have to be defended , even against Blair and new labour we were attacked .

 

One thing I’ve learned mate especially in the co. I work for. Honesty is the best policy. Lying and proven lying is far worse than the offence committed. Lack of trust being the worse offence. By being honest and stating why he did what he did. May give an understanding as to the way he acted. No matter how much a person will state to his rep he’s told him/her everything. Very few do and get caught out. Putting not only themselves but the rep in an embarrassing situation.