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  1. Loko the Tyke

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    Here’s the thing though. You’ve got that opinion, and yes you can call Trump a climate change denier, but the carbon emissions coming from the US last year were lower than they’ve been since 1950 per capita, falling all the time, and at their lowest levels overall since 1992. You can argue they should fall further at a more accelerated pace, but that’s a positive step for a country of such size and scale in comparison to what we read in the news.
     
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    Is that due to the Trump administration's policies, or the effects of those put in place before Trump appeared?

    I was astounded when I was last in the USA how much polystyrene they use. It's everywhere. Most cafes and even motels just don't bother with real crockery. It's horrendous. The argument is that it's much more cost effective to serve everything up in single use containers than to run a dishwasher. And the over-reliance on cars is still a problem, even more so when considering how spread out everything is in most cities making walking impossible, and how poor public transport is in general.
     
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    You would think that in the whole population of America that they could find suitable candidates that are slightly younger to run for president.
     
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    There’s a theory that because of the microscopic scrutiny, dirt digging, criticism, back stabbing, etc that comes with the job, the best candidates have more sense than to run for president in the first place. So the world is left with putting its security in the hands of clowns like (and lets be honest) both Trump AND Biden.
     
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    I don’t understand why folk are against Biden. I would never claim I’m clued up on American politics but I’ve taken a keen interest in this presidential battle. From what I’ve seen Biden genuinely seems to care for American families, the planet and restarting the economy. He has come forward and laid out his plans (when trump shuts up long enough for him to talk).

    Trump on the other hand, I Haven’t heard him say anything he wants to do. Just that he wants to scrap Obama care, doesn’t have anything he wants to replace it with. That he wants to get back to the “greatest economy in world History” but doesn’t tell us how. Oh and what he seems to be relying on to win the election is bashing Biden’s son. Why would you vote for that?

    After saying that, this nation voted alone on “get Brexit done” so maybe policies aren’t what people vote for anymore.
     
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    It's because they have to be endorsed and to reach that level of trust/having enough favours owed/respect/power within their party is a long long road. By the time they've got enough support with their party they're ancient.
     
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    The most important issue in the world today and in all the reporting of the US election that I've seen, it's never been mentioned.
     
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    I think that’s a very good point though the federal nature of the USA means they are doing rather better on reducing carbon emissions than is assumed. I do think a Biden win will take them to another level and may even push them into the camp that stops doing business with those who don’t follow suite. If only the UK had such options.

    The other thing is Trump may be an open climate denier but I think that’s preferable to so many other politicians who spout the rhetoric as cover for doing nothing or very little on climate change.
     
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    There’s also the fact that what type of Brexit we have is hanging on the result of this election. Democrats have already said that they won’t deal with us if we No Deal and break international law or put the Good Friday agreement at risk but with the House of Representatives elections happening and a third of the Senate up for election too, it could be bad news for us.
     
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    Aren't the carbon emission reductions due to the fact that businesses went bust - thanks to Covid and Mr Trump
     
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    One good aspect of American politics is that they don't have to wait 5 years for the next election.
     
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    Me too FR. Be afraid, be Very Afraid.
     
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  14. Loko the Tyke

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    2019 numbers aren’t down to Covid. So no, that’s not the case.

    Also, as much as business is struggling everywhere you’ve got more chance of surviving in a Republican state short term than a Democratic one, as they want to lockdown harder and for longer. I would guess California, with its ridiculously high taxes, has probably been the victim of many a business going bust recently. Other than tech and real estate of course.
     
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    How many people vote in the US? Something like 60+ million and likely to be much higher this year?

    The reality isn’t that they’re pro or anti Biden in the main. Or even pro or anti Trump (although anti Trump is way more vocal). It’s the policies the two parties represent, or if not the policies the desires. Lockdown, immigration, fracking, minimum wage, citizenship, taxes, criminals, borders, jobs, etc.

    People might be outraged that someone could vote for Trump, but it isn’t a vote for him as much as a vote against how Democrats might run the US. It’s not the same as over here and we see very little outside of Covid about what regular Americans think and how their lives have been the last four years. Chasing the ‘American Dream’ is a huge part of their culture, and it’s often thought that Republican policies make that more likely than Democratic ones.
     
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    About 130 million in 2016. Clinton got 65m, Trump 62m and 2-3m vote for "alternative candidates". While Clinton might have been unpopular with many, her total vote was under 1% down on Obama in 2012 and Trump pulled up 2m from Mitt Romney in 2012.

    Obama *now* is 15 years younger than Trump. However, Article 2 of the constitution prohibits anyone under the age of 35 for running - and also has restrictions on their place of birth (the Kenya attacks on Obama) and how long they have lived in the country (at least the last 14 years)
     
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    A vote for Trump is a vote for racism, xenophobia, misogyny and reflects badly on those that make it.
     
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    In terms of emissions much like the initial employment boost this was a result of Obama era policy. The impact of Trump is only now beginning to be felt in all areas from economy to the environment but you wouldn’t expect the real damage to hit until 23/24 in term of the environment for the economy it’s been much harder.
     
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    Exactly, of all the things he has said and done over the years, I fail to see how there hasn’t been at least one thing to turn off everybody.
     
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    The employment boost is actually something Trump can take credit for in terms of extending the positive curve. There’s expert opinion out there that the jobs created during his administration, pre-Covid obviously, were better jobs so will have a longer lasting effect on the numbers, whereas the Obama job numbers were good but not in as strong an area to maintain.

    Climate change/emissions could be valid though. But I don’t believe the US is digressing on that just has someone who isn’t smart enough (or doesn’t care enough) to play the political game of saying the right things to appease the right people.
     
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