Compulsory vaccinations

Me too, I'm sitting on the fence on whether to have the vaccine until more information is forthcoming.

 

We might not have a choice if the government make it mandatory for people who want to for example go to a sports stadium or arena or on a plane.

 

From what I've read of your posts over the years you appear a young 65, you appear to be physically fit. You don't, despite your age, seem to be in a particularly high risk group. Obviously, I don't know the details of your life, only what you share, so you know miles better than me. I'm not saying don't take it. But I am saying taking it this evening isn't giving it the thought that such a decision deserves. Sorry if that sounds patronising, but it's actually meant to. I want you to think I'm an arse because I want you to think more about this.

 

Agreed mate, but until that time comes I'm still on the fence.

 

Whether a person has a vaccine or not should be a fundamental human right.

I’m pleased there is a vaccine and I’m happy for anyone who wants it to take their own chances. Having had a disease already (that doesn’t even make it into my worst top three) I’m not going to be happy if someone tries to tell me I have to have an untested, unproven vaccine to stop me getting it again. Maybe a few years down the line I would consider it.

 

You get a smaller dose in a vaccine than you would if you had the virus.

 

I'm not sure if I wouldn't rather risk the cancer than alzeimers.

 

I'll take that as a compliment, thank you. My point though is that in order for the vaccine to be tested, lots of people, of all ages, sexes and backgrounds, need to take it, and in doing so they are taking a risk, voluntarily. I'm willing to do that, so that I and others can (hopefully) benefit. I can't see a way out of the horrible situation we're in (as you yourself have said before) without a vaccine, as the virus isn't going away. But as I've said many times we all have different opinions, who knows what the outcome will be?

 

Oh it also caused a "worsening of clinical measures of cognition and the ability to perform activities of daily living"

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...mass-covid-19-tests-children-liverpool-pupils

Is anyone else concerned that army soldiers are going into primary schools to administer Covid tests? I’ve got a daughter in primary school and I’m certainly not comfortable with the concept.

 

Don't see the problem. Getting the army involved gets people tested much quicker whilst GPs can concentrate on their usual daily tasks. Mass testing is far better than relying on a vaccine.

 

Yes and no.

No because parents can (I think) opt out and the army are simply a means of getting extra numbers of people to help out.

Yes because children should have the friendliest people doing this to make the process as easy as possible and the army (to look at) is quite literally the opposite of that.

 

It’s this for me.

 

Fair answer.

The testing I could accept at a push.... but is it a way of testing the water ready for the vaccine launch?

My 6 year old daughter is scared of injections administered by a friendly nurse so I’m sure she wouldn’t be put at ease by a group of squaddies in full army fatigues and plastic aprons.

 

With all due respect as you seem a really nice person, this post shows that you literally don’t know anything about the Pfizer vaccine. It isn’t like the Edward Jenner idea of giving people a very small load of disease and allowing their immune system to ‘learn’ response, what you get is messenger RNA (mRNA), which relies on synthetically-produced genetic coding to generate an immune response in humans. It’s never been done before for any other disease.

 

And by law you would have to show that you had done so.

 

The thing is, in clinical trials, you basically have a doctor and multiple nurses on call. You just about get their home phone number. You're constantly monitored, questioned and any adverse reaction is dealt with swiftly. That's what happens with new vaccines over a five to ten year period.

You put this out into the general population and you don't get any of that. I can't get an appointment with my GP such is the underfunding of the sector. I either recover or I die, either way I don't get treated.

We had 3 pandemics in the last century. Spanish flu, Asian flu and Hong Kong flu. You actually lived through two of them. They all burnt themselves out within 18 months. Two of those were way more deadly than this virus. This will burn itself out by Spring next year. We've also had two influenza years that eclipsed the number of infections and number of deaths of this virus. I've lived through those.

What we're living through, in terms of risk to health, isn't unprecedented, it's actually as low as it's ever been, but what we're living through from media propaganda has never before come anywhere close to what we're now enduring.

If I try too hard to push this point I'm as bad as them, I've posted on this BBS for twenty years, have I suddenly turned stupid?

 

I take your point completely, but as I said earlier I'm already a volunteer to have a vaccine if chosen. That comes with the medical support that you describe. But your words are food for thought. And anyway, I already have multiple nurses on call...........

 

It will.still.be milder than the disease which is the point I'm trying to make.

 

I think if there had been a vaccine available for the Spanish flu then most people would have taken it.