Compulsory vaccinations

Thanks for the support and reasoned humanity in your response.

 

No but all were signed off internationally by senior medical bodies. The vaccine will be rolled out internationally and fingers crossed the 90% success rate will increase.

 

Of course they would. Pharmaceutical companies were trusted at that time. It was thought they were helping people. Now, people who read up on it at least, know they're just making money. If you want to trust a company who only want to make money, put the needle in your arm. It's your choice and I have no problem with that at all. It's your life and I have no right to intrude. The problem I have is when people try to influence others. And that has happened in this thread as it has happened throughout this situation we're living through. I'm absolutely fine with people taking themselves out of the gene pool, because they're selfish and narcissistic and refuse education, I'd actually prefer that they do, but when they try to take others with them, then I'm going to step in.

 

I don't care for people who don't think and try to influence others with their lack of knowledge. I know that the human race will be better in the long run from my stance. So what you say to me is actually a compliment. I don't think our species needs a continuation of stupidity. Call me old fashioned.

 

Without dragging up my previous post re Liverpool schools ten pages back.

There is no such thing as implied consent for medical treatment of a minor with the option being the parent to opt out.

It has to be informed consent where all the facts about the treatment test etc are provided to the parents or guardian and they provide consent for their child to under take the same. Without any applied pressure or coercion.

The school I brought up last week used implied consent which after a little gentle persuasion has now had a change of heart and is ensuring explicit consent is provided or the child is excluded from the testing. Which is how it should be. Regardless if you agree with the mass testing or not.

The only caveat that gets around this is whats called the Gillick Competence test where you assess whether some one is mentally competent to make a decision. This again however means they should be informed of all the facts involved and be under no pressure to make a decision.

 

Yes pharmaceutical companies are in it for profits but my life and countless others has been enhanced by the medicines they produce.

 

They have, that is without doubt true, but very, very rarely is it because they have invested in research to help with such conditions. They have simply bought up a patent from a University study and made millions on their years of research. I could go on about this for the rest of my life, but I think that says it succinctly.

 

Helen, the world is ****, we run with that or we don't. And it's up to the individual. But my humanity is not in question. It just isn't.

 

Yes there's **** in the world but it doesn't make the whole world ****.

 

No it doesn't, I agree with you

 

So long it's only testing.

And not being a side swipe to injecting my kids without my knowledge

 

I find a great deal of the ways in which Michael O'Leary operates hugely problematic. However, he singlehandedly smashed national governments' domination of the aviation industry, which amounted to a price-fixing cartel, thus making air travel available to millions of people who would otherwise never have been able to afford it. I fully realise that there are economic and environmental costs associated with this, but I also think it's very difficult to argue that it hasn't brought immense benefits as well.

 

I'm really not sure about this Helen, but I don't think it's the law though. It's just good business sense to keep the personnel that are going to keep "the company" going. Don't forget we're talking hypothetically here.

 

I don't know Helen, don't forget it was over 100 years ago. Times were different back then in every way imaginable.

 

I doubt that the army will turn up in full army gear though. I think (would hope) that they'll be in plain clothes

 

They are certainly wearing full army gear in Liverpool at the moment.

Someone on Twitter made a very succinct argument...

‘Why would you choose a rushed vaccine with a 90% success rate to protect against a virus with a 96% survival rate?’ (And if you are under 60 and in reasonable health you could probably swap the 96% for 99%)

 

On the flip side in 2001 my 11 year old daughter was diagnosed with Leukemia. After trying existing options that didn’t work we were asked to consider drugs on trial. We took that option and it worked and 19 years later she has had no lasting side effects.

 

They aren't in Barnsley

 

I think my views on the vaccine debate can be summed up by this song from the Scaffold

 

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-astrazeneca-results-vaccine-liability-idUKKCN24V2EN

AFAIK Pfeizer also have this indemnity in place. It may be standard practice, but the company developing this vaccine is concerned enough to ask for immunity against side effects that may develop in time. Plus it appears that it takes 4-5 years for a vaccine to be truly tested. 4 to 5 years. This one is available in a little under 12 months.

I don't think it's beyond reason to have a few doubts, especially if you're not in a high risk category and/or do not have pre existing condition that renders you vulnerable to a virus which the CSO himself described as mild with good recovery for the vast majority of people.

What I do find distasteful is our Govt seemingly offering inducements/punishments for not subjecting yourself to it. Perhaps I'm just overly cautious. I do like to try different foods though, because whilst I might get the shits, I won't develop a debilitating side effect in a years time to a dodgy madras. I'm not even going to venture into Piers Morgan's attention seeking realm whereby he demonizes folk like me, because next week he might pronounce differently, depending where public opinion is.

The rush to (forcibly) vaccinate the population and all that develops from that is just not proportionate to the risk profile of this disease for the vast majority of people. And for those groups at risk - I'd be shitting myself if compelled to take it.

Truly worrying times.