Compulsory vaccinations

Nothing to fear for me, thanks. I'm at low risk and in good health. Nice try though

 

I'm not fearful for myself, but if a vaccination programme prevents the 50 000+ deaths we've had in less than a year then I'm in favour of it.

 

Have it. Don’t have it.

As long as it is your choice I’m happy either way.

 

This guy according to his bio has multiple UK based journo jobs to pedal this kind of filth at...

 

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You do realise that nobody would see 'his filth' if people like you weren't looking it up and spreading it around the internet.

 

Jeez!! Some of the contributions to this thread resembles a branch of QAnon! Conspiracy theories and paranoia are rife (particularly Jay who seems to be really wound up by this - being highly confrontational with those disagreeing with him e.g. "If you want to be stupid, go ahead, but don't expect any sympathy for your utter stupidity".) At the same time he rants about people trying to influence others!!

Enforcing treatment is questionable, but at the same time anyone refusing it should accept that in doing so, if it endangers others, then their own personal freedoms should be restricted to some extent. What if we were talking about a highly contagious virus with a 99% mortality rate across all ages? Would the potential extinction of the human race then justify enforced vaccination or would some people still complain about their 'human rights' being violated?
Furthermore, I wonder how many who insist that anyone who is prepared to have something put into their body without knowing what it is or the effect it has is stupid, but on a daily basis consume food with no idea of its provenance. The same people who are prepared to trust food standard agencies, manufacturers and suppliers are now NOT prepared to trust scientific and medical organisations whose every action is under intense scrutiny . It is not as if food and drink agencies are squeaky clean... BSE, Salmonella, Botulism, to name just three have caused many deaths over the years. Many foods and drinks contain e numbers, chemicals, antibiotics, and sulphites and even Covid itself came from uncontrolled, illegal consumption of banned food.
There is an over emphasis on 'individual human rights' by some... and whilst any attempt to limit those rights is viewed rightly with suspicion, we do not live in the Wild West and in an ordered civilised society we are all subject to rules and regulations otherwise we descend into anarchy and chaos . Fair enough - you can eat what you like, drink want you like, take drugs drive a car at 100mph in a built up area if you want but then you can expect the full force of the law to come down on you if your selfish actions endanger others. I never get the PoV that "I smoke 40 a day and have emphysema but I have paid my taxes so should get the same access to NHS as everyone else". The Friday night idiots who get so drunk they end up in A&E for various reasons are incredibly selfish and cause a huge drain on NHS resources (not to mention the increasing trend of beligerence towards front line staff) and yet some people condone their actions.

 

Can I ask you what the effects 2 years down the line are of having the newly developed vaccine which has only been tested for a few months?

 

Unknown... but similarly can I ask you what the effects of waiting 2 or 3 years with Covid 'out there' with every likelihood that the longer it is widespread and the more people it infects the more chance of it mutating into something far more deadly. Even a mutation rendering the current vaccine ineffective would mean starting over.

I am not disputing the situation of an early release of a vaccine with limited testing is far from ideal. Nevertheless I think of it like this...
On balance.... The vaccine is a known unknown (long term side effects) Whilst the thought of Covid running wild for several more years contains many unknown unknowns.
I prefer the former to the latter. That is all I am saying (just my opinion)

 

For the vast vast majority of the population covid-19 is an extremely harmless virus. Thousands upon thousands test positive daily without having any idea that they have even had it. The risks of taking an untested virus which has bypassed the rules set in place due to the history of vaccines and drugs having disastrous side effects long into the trial period far outweigh the risk of catching covid-19.

Now if I was 80 years old and at extremely high risk from covid-19 then I may be willing to take that risk but that should be the individuals choice not forced upon me via the threat of house arrest if I do not do so.

 

So to summarise your argument - in certain circumstances you agree with breaking the Nuremberg code and you think Mengele had some good ideas.

 

And to justify his position of enforced vaccination for the harmless to many covid-19 he makes the bizarre statement about 99% mortality rate.

 

If the vaccine works then the people choosing not to have the vaccine are only endangering the other people who have chosen not to have the vaccine, who in doing so have decided they are prepared to take that risk.

 

If the vaccine works who is endangering others? Those who choose not to take it know the risk they are taking.

 

Bizarre analogies aside, I don't think there's really that much "paranoia" in here, just people wary about taking a vaccine where the long term effects are completely unknowable at this point. If you want it then crack on, at your age I'd probably have it too. At my age I think a vaccine that hasn't been tested long term poses me more risk than coronavirus.

 

Party of the people Labour wanting to banish free speech in a so called democratic country. It appears the story in the link has been censored as it already doesn't work.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...sorship-laws-for-anti-vax-content/ar-BB1b0Ys7

That's the story that was posted and removed.

 

Even by your standards that’s bolloc.ks, but of course that’s just my opinion

 

can I ask what effects a lot of people who have had Covid will be having?